Taking sides: Children vs. (non-human) animals

Children, like old people, people with disabilities, etc. are a group distinguished by factors outside their control. Like those two groups in particular they are often taken advantage of. Xp

― Treeship, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 2:56 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

as are dogs

but if you don't like dogs that's fine, it has no moral implications about your character whatsoever

Dogs aren't people though.

it's been a while since the lex has been given the opportunity to revel in the spotlight like this, good work everyone

i get it now. you were born a dog and you begrudge those of us who were born human babies.

what do you think you'd think of the child you were?

xpost

no worries man i know you're not engaged in anything valuable w/ your time. after all you've already demonstrated quite clearly that you're not raising children.

leaving aside what an execrable sentiment this is, you're doing a good job of substantiating lex's gripes about parents

my dislike of lex has nothing to do w/ any progeny i have produced and in fact my enmity i believe predates my parenthood

Mordy otm throughout lex is a deeply unserious person fit for nothing but mockery

dunno when saer became a curmudgeon

I have had some unfortunate experiences of late, serenity came under severe multi-pronged attack and anxiety rose to new levels. I am hoping it will fade again soon!

I think its ok to say you don't like groups of people, where there are groups of people there is likely to be some kind of piercing noise or anxiety inducing activity

Its ok to want to make it through the day with mental equilibrium in tact!

What if I said I didn't like people with facial disfigurements. They make me uncomfortable.

hating kids is fundamentally as weird as hating women or hating old people

It's reductive, not "weird." I agree with a lot of lex's sentiments on this thread!

As a parent, your kids are either cute and friendly and great OR they're a pain in my ass and if they turn out to be anything other than disasters as adults it will be a miracle because you are an indulgent weirdo and I disagree with your style.

Disliking children is really an indirect dislike of parents. Parents are now and have always been the real enemy.

More trenchantly, what if you said you didn't like LGBT people because they make you uncomfortable? Or Jewish people? Or African-Americans? Those would all be rightly condemned as being patently unacceptable and the mark of a cretinous piece of shit.

equating children with LGBT or african-american people is probably the most cretinous opinion expressed thus far (aside from mordy's troll one)

ould you imagine saying that about any other group of humans?

people, including all of you, say that every day about all sorts of groups of humans. tories, bankers and comic fans are among the groups of humans i generally don't enjoy spending time with, i'm sure you have your list.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:51 AM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao, you can't see the difference between children as one type of category of humans vs tories and comic fans as others? you realize everyday people say they "i don't hate LGBTQ people, i just actively dislike being around them and feel discomfort in their company"

Why? Children have as much control over who they are as the other groups do.

always useful to be reassured that privileged wyt dudes really have no fucking idea what constitutes societal oppression tho!

ah i see this has been addressed lol xp

always useful to be reassured that privileged wyt dudes really have no fucking idea what constitutes societal oppression tho!

― lex pretend, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:15 AM (four seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

you don't know anything about me but thanks for assuming im a white dude

Its ok to want to make it through the day with mental equilibrium in tact!

fair enough. i feel like if we had started with "i choose not to spend time around children" nobody would be arguing now.

it's just an absurd affect. my kids are anxiety produced and cause me heartburn regularly. but also the entire history of human civilization - and in fact life of all kind - comes down to parents having children. parents should not feel any more smug than a mosquito laying larva maybe, but to write off progeny in general as being distasteful is the stuff of disney villainy and somehow within the same ballpark as malthusian nihilism.

lol yeah there are no organizations worldwide dedicated to the rights of children, who are never oppressed

. i feel like if we had started with "i choose not to spend time around children" nobody would be arguing now.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:17 AM (thirty-nine seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea i agree with that

More trenchantly, what if you said you didn't like LGBT people because they make you uncomfortable? Or Jewish people? Or African-Americans? Those would all be rightly condemned as being patently unacceptable and the mark of a cretinous piece of shit.

― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:14 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

equating children with LGBT or african-american people is probably the most cretinous opinion expressed thus far (aside from mordy's troll one)

― lex pretend, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:15 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark

lollllll Phil mentioned 3 different groups and lex only mentioned 2 i wonder

like yeah I realize that the life of a child in the London suburbs is obvs different than the life of a child in Somalia but ffs

xp I noticed that as well but one battle at a time for me

whenever lex talks about ppl being privileged i remember that photo he posted of himself lounging on a cruise ship in view of a tropical island and remember that he's more privileged than probably 99% of ilx posters.

https://www.childhelp.org/child-abuse-statistics/

why would I suggest children suffer oppression it is truly a mystery

guys i don't think this angle of argument is a good look

Children are not oppressed as a class. Lex is right. But many children face oppression and a lot of them have hard lives and it is gauche to act like they are little more than irritating pets people want to force on you.

Tbh i dont think i actually like being around children, especially. I was a teacher and got moved from high school to middle school and haaaatttted it. But like, i don't feel righteous in having limited patience and empathy ya know.

that's exactly how i feel. i feel like a curmudgeon or a dickhead if i get narky feelings towards children. they don't know any better than to behave as they do, they are essentially having fun, trying to learn about life, mostly p harmless. maybe that's overly self-flagellating but i don't think so.

it's the same to me as feeling waves of misanthropy but never defining myself as a misanthropist, trying to see positivity in people, trying to recognise when negativity might be coming from my own problems or my own negative experiences.

misanthrope not misanthropist, god...

Everybody here trying to outdo each other in trenchant commentary about how bad and rong Lex is about children is really ...something

I periodically have to spend time with 2 of them now and I dread it, the looks of expectation from their parents and grandparents as inside inner peace is being obliterated

Children are not oppressed as a class. Lex is right. But many children face oppression and a lot of them have hard lives and it is gauche to act like they are little more than irritating pets people want to force on you.

― Treeship, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:28 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea i agree with this. i don't feel the antipathy toward lex that others do itt. lex is smart, i value his thoughts on a lot of things, he is prob one of my favorite posters in certain ILM threads, his support of women and POC artists throughout his writing career is awesome. i just tihnk his opinion itt is incredibly small-minded and dumb. there are 2 billion kids in the world ffs. 1 billion of them live in poverty, they are vulnerable group of humans and are abused and denied of their value all the time. i don't think it is an interesting or fun opinion to celebrate how much they annoy you esp when you are basically just tihnking about rich kids in strollers in london

Everybody here trying to outdo each other in trenchant commentary about how bad and rong Lex is about children is really ...something

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, December 13, 2016 10:34 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ill cop to this sure

guys i don't think this angle of argument is a good look

You're probably right and I shouldn't have taken the bait.

I'll just leave it at "Expressing discomfort at being around people for their innate attributes is pretty shitty."

preemptive clusterfuck summary: fuckin' ilx

― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Monday, December 12, 2016 8:04 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

At least it's not about the election.

arguably this last election was between a child and a hawk!!!!11!!!

And everyone's moms and dads are to blame

sad!

children are a worse pizza topping than animals in general but a better pizza topping than dogs in particular

dogs in particular and animals in general are both more welcome in bars tho

Dogs in pubs <333333

Such joy just thinking about them

I like pub dogs because they are exactly the right duration of dog for me

what about dogs in a pub that serves child-topped pizza

An enormous dog stood up and put his paws on my shoulders and I had a meltdown, this in the house that has the two childrens in it, its like a house of horrors

what about dogs in a pub that serves child-topped pizza

vs?