Taking sides: Children vs. (non-human) animals

for goodness sake it is not "monstrous" to be uninterested in or annoyed by children, or simply to prefer not to have them around ever

and i see way more everyday misanthropy directed at perfectly harmless subsets of adults. it's fine to be annoyed and vent! it doesn't make anyone a weirdo. though this kind of rabid proscribed positivity around children does feel quite alienating. i don't tell people who dislike dogs that they're monsters.

tbf lex is basically a giant baby

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come now, folks, we must remember that lex is the real victim here

Nobody is the victim

nah I'm cool

hating children is the ultimate stereotypical misanthropy in an adult. prob could name 50 books or movies with it as a theme in about two minutes.

101 Dalmatians has both!

yeah like dr alan grant but he learns to get on with children after his experience with animals that have escaped captivity and then at the end he is in a helicopter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnTsVTNrvC0

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I don't get hating kids, for reasons eloquently put by Treesh and LG. Hate the parents, not the kids imho, if you must.

Dogs on the other hand...

Children are people and thus fine, being born is a disaster and I refuse to have any role in making a person be born, I don't like dogs, I like cats, animals are ridiculous and fascinating in their diversity and there's only one kind of human.

getting some serious xtian vibes from this thread

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there are lots of very fucked up things about 'childhood' and the way a lot of people treat & control children, & I can understand feeling anger at that, esp the ego on some parents & the whole authoritarian worldview that kids become tokens of for some people. kids bring out really dark power impulses in a lot of people

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there's so many things wrong with lex i doubt his anti-kids stance would even crack the top 20 if anything it just confirms for me how excellent kids are

wow, it's almost like they are ... people

― na

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preemptive clusterfuck summary: fuckin' ilx

it doesn't make anyone a weirdo.

it is fundamentally weird to me.... " i really don't like the youngest members of my species"

If I had to choose between spending one hour in a room with 50 toddlers or 50 adult Trump voters I'd take the toddlers in a New York minute.

cool

lol

it is fundamentally weird to me.... " i really don't like the youngest members of my species"

agreed - it's just a bizarre affectation from ppl with very low emotional maturity - otm above whoever said that hating children is the classical descriptor of fictional villains. it's bc it's so absurd.

bonus points if they tilt their chin up and sniff while saying haughtily, "well i was /never/ a child."

What about people who don't actively hate kids but would rather not have anything to do with them

Asking for a friend

that's fine imo. i love spending time w/ my two little kids more than pretty much anything but tbh i dont always feel comfortable or confident talking to other people's kids.

Agatha Trunchbull: I have never been able to understand why small children are so disgusting. They're the bane of my life. They're like insects: they should be got rid of as early as possible.

[makes spraying gesture]

Agatha Trunchbull: Psst! My idea of a perfect school is one in which there are no children... at all. Wouldn't you agree, Miss Honey?

I was thinking more Mr. Foreclosure from the War Between the Pitiful Teachers and the Splendid Kids but sure that works

here's the trunchbull quote i was trying to find: "They're all mistakes, children! Filthy, nasty things. Glad I never was one."

of course hating children has its own TV Tropes page

what's the alt-right line on children

apart from 'recruits'

Kids are noisy and disruptive and demanding and a lot of work! I don't have any but I work in a school with about 730 of them and I find it exhausting to perform the emotional dance of keeping their attention and interacting w them for a few hours much less the next 25-30 years. Maybe it's less tiring when you know them well and you don't have to perform but for me it's all emoting and trying to read them 24/7. Not to mention the noise level. I need ppl around me who I can tell to go away and amuse themselves for up to a week at a time, so obv kids r not for me. Okay. I mean I don't hate 'em but jesus I don't have what it takes. It's okay.

at what point are children capable of making sandwiches?

I resent children for being in the midst of childhood, and dogs for their flexibility.

at what point are children capable of making sandwiches?

my daughter's progressed to this point and she's 8

but she's been flipping over records on the turntable for me since 4, so there's that

it is true that I don't care much for other kids besides mine, I would never work in an elementary or middle school or in daycare. kids are hilarious though so if you hate hilarity then yeah boo to kids.

Dogs can be hilarious too but usually only when they're risking their lives and I'm not supposed to enjoy that I gather

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vs

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I have a 10 year old black labrador and a teenager with autism and they are both hard work. The dog constantly wants to go for a walk and will follow me about the house to force the issue - even if he has just had a walk. The teenage boy is going through his violent and angry young man period, would love to be able to turn it back to his loud and annoying child phase - because that was a piece of piss by comparison:P

Children can be annoying as fuck, but I do think people who learn to chill and be more patient and tolerant will be happier in the long run.

i dont hate children but i don't really want to spend time with kids too much, like it's fine, even pleasant, to go visit a friend and their little toddler. but i wouldn't want to be a teacher at a school (especially high school).

i was talking w/a friend who has twins, both in kindergarten at our kid's school. one of them has ADHD and she tries so hard, she's a single mother, and she deals w/people all the time. she said someone said to her, point-blank recently about her son when he was having some issues, "what's WRONG with that kid?" idk, maybe some people just shouldn't talk about children or ever think about them except to not hit them in the crosswalk.

I'm with you, Lex, after my previously angelic toddler drew blood from my face today after a meltdown about going in the car
He shares your musical taste tho

(I don't like other kids much but my own is endlessly fascinating and amazing)

i'm a high school teacher and i love it! kids that age are inspiring and great fun to be around! but i would never have my own kids. too much work. i can barely keep up with the responsibility of my dog tbh.

i do think that there's something to be said for the fact that the younger the kids are, the more tolerable. li'l cherubs running around making mischief, eating cookies, making sloppy art, telling you facts they just learned w/wide eyes, make-believing my little pony games, vs dead-eyed teens running around stealing cars, taking oxy, writing terrible journals, reciting conspiracy theories back at you, make-believing my little pony games.

but, i dunno, ymmv but growing up in real scotland I'm too easily reminded of how psychotic and fucked so many of the boys i grew up with were, and the weird nihilistic stuff that would go on. e.g. a kid i knew threw a brick at a passing train from a bridge when he was like 11 or something, at high school people would take snowballs made from old frozen-over patches of snow that are more like rocks and threw them in a large arc down a flight of stairs that were about the height of a 3 story building with no intended target as long as it hit someone. there was a thing called the grog pit (a common thing in west central scotland as conversations with friends have confirmed) where an unliked member of the cohort would be thrown in and everyone would spit on them, etc. the effeminate boys who would later come out as gay were made fun of day in day out from the age of 8 or 9 and occasionally physically attacked. a lot of the boys doing this sort of stuff are now "normal" adults.

Yeah my junior high years were something like that. The girls would cut you socially and it devastated me, but the boys would tape whoever was the scapegoat that week to a tree and shoot fireworks at them, spit on each other, threaten to shoot your pets, shoot each other with bb guns.... Good times.

I'll never forget that one of my classmates insisted that he shot songbirds with his gun, then took the raw bird meat and hid it under the toppings of his babysitter's pizza and she ate it. Almost definitely fake but

Let's just cancel the years between 10 and 20 is what I'm saying. Possibly 30.

10-22 years, ranked:

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