they do tend to lack self-awareness.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 12 December 2016 17:13 (seven years ago) link
So do dogs.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, 12 December 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
hating children is so bizarre to me
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Monday, 12 December 2016 17:24 (seven years ago) link
fuck dogs
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 December 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link
I mean sure sometime I meet a cool dog and generally I like basset hounds but mostly blech keep these slobbering shitting pissing barking child-biting simpletons away from me
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 December 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
I feel the opposite of lex, dogs seem like such a pain compared to children, and they're guaranteed to die within like what 15 years? plus dogs shit all over the sidewalks and smell terrible. now partly it's that there are so many terrible dog owners but let's not let the filthy beasts themselves off the hook.
― droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 12 December 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
i don't think bad smells and too much shit is really an argument you can make against dogs vis-à-vis children
― lex pretend, Monday, 12 December 2016 17:38 (seven years ago) link
... and slobbering, pissing, puking etc. Don't like either much tbh. Used to like dogs. Children are probably better.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, 12 December 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link
dog owners mostly do not expect everyone else to be equally enamoured of their pet, nor do they move through the world as if non-dog owners literally do not exist
― lex pretend, Monday, 12 December 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link
lol that is not my experience of dog owners
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 December 2016 17:40 (seven years ago) link
children stop randomly shitting + pissing (and shedding and slobbering) everywhere around the age of 4 or so. Dogs do it their whole lives.
dogs shit in terrible places their whole miserable lives, for kids it's just for a couple of years, and even there, you don't have to pick the steamy pile off the ground wearing a plastic glove on your hand, feeling its runny warm wretchedness.
also right now my kids are making dinner for me, afterward they'll wash up. I suppose a dog will at least eat wasted scraps off the ground.
― droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 12 December 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link
you don't have to pick the steamy pile off the ground wearing a plastic glove on your hand, feeling its runny warm wretchedness.
posts w striking imagery
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 December 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
Generally ok with either, in small doses and one at a time - there are a lot of animals I like more than dogs tho
― banfred bann (wins), Monday, 12 December 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
WHY would anyone choose to have a child instead of a dog
― lex pretend, Monday, December 12, 2016 10:59 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Less horrifying for the doctors mostly
― Evan, Monday, 12 December 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
jfc all of you
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Monday, 12 December 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Monday, December 12, 2016 12:39 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Monday, December 12, 2016 12:40 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
loooooool outic otm
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Monday, 12 December 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTZ5VpfzoW0
― salthigh, Monday, 12 December 2016 17:48 (seven years ago) link
They do not. You housebreak a dog, it's housebroken p. much forever unless a) very sick or b) very scared.
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Monday, 12 December 2016 17:49 (seven years ago) link
Anyway I echo imago's "jfc all of you." Kids are great, dogs are great, life is a fucking miracle in its diversity.
parents are e a s i l y the rudest people i encounter in public
it's not even close. cyclists, runners, dog walkers, couples, no one can touch parents for lack of pavement etiquette and refusal to acknowledge that there are other people in public spaces
every dog owner i've ever known is hyper-aware that others might not like dogs and very good at controlling them but the extent to which parents let their kids scream and run around and yell and generally bother other people is unbelievable
― lex pretend, Monday, 12 December 2016 17:51 (seven years ago) link
lex i think your perspective here is one of a dumb ageist
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Monday, 12 December 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
Do dogs find a good old folks home for you, or better yet put you up in their houses?
― Bnad, Monday, 12 December 2016 17:52 (seven years ago) link
wait the only sort of "ageism" that actually matters is discrimination among adults, not someone disliking being around toddlers
― lex pretend, Monday, 12 December 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link
http://www.rantchic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/kids-on-leashes-4.jpg
― Evan, Monday, 12 December 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link
i have the impulse that kids are annoying etc but i try to fight it away, it makes me feel like a misanthrope. similarly some parents do appear lax or like they are happy for their child to be everyone else's problem, in public, but again i assume they know more about being a parent than me.
sometimes i look at the behaviour of children, their neediness, their self-centred greed, and it's like they are concentrated embodiments of all the worst traits of humanity. then on the other hand sometimes they seem like concentrated embodiments of our best traits, their curiosity, their imaginations, their ability to show love without a second thought.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 12 December 2016 17:57 (seven years ago) link
last xmas my three nephews started trolling me about being bald, which was mostly hilarious and sort of sweet but did kind of remind me of like quintessential playground bullying, apart from the fact that i am 33 and i can deal with their high-pitched little barbs, plus it only lasted about 45 minutes or so, consisting of a chant of "you have no hair".
my sister intervened to explain that this kind of thing might upset a person, at which point my youngest nephew said "but i like to call you the bald man".
the next day my oldest nephew, who is like 10 years old, came and sat on my knee while i was watching telly, and in a fully earnest tone after staring at my one-grade all over for a moment said "you actually have some hair. it's not true that you have no hair. and you have a beard too."
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
plenty of adults embody humanity's best traits and also you can have a conversation with them/they don't scream seemingly non-stop/they don't launch themselves at you physically
― lex pretend, Monday, 12 December 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link
If it weren't for children, there wouldn't be any grownups. So, no art, music, science, porn, vodka, pizza, internet, or bicycles. No you.
So this is kind of like saying "humans: classic or dud." Which is certainly a debatable question! But if you think there's something worthwhile about the species continuing, then somebody has to have some kids. Doesn't have to be you, of course. De gustibus and all that.
― troops in djibouti (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Monday, December 12, 2016 1:24 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is a sad post
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:27 (seven years ago) link
i prefer dogs to children. i prefer dogs to adults tbh.
― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:28 (seven years ago) link
i was at a friend's house on saturday night and there were lots of dogs. one of them, an 11 year old pitbull called Findlay who've only met two or three times, came over for a pet from me and leaned against me for a hug. A little chihuahua sat on my lap for about half an hour. my idea of a good time
― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link
If it weren't for children, there wouldn't be any grownups.
Feeble imo.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:32 (seven years ago) link
lex seems p miserable - no laffs, no kids, only horrible club music to listen to, reliant on others for food
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 December 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
jim that sounds like a wonderful party :))))
― lex pretend, Monday, 12 December 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link
I dont understand why people feel the need to disparage children. To me this feels like a kind of prejudice. Kids are mistreated all around the world and they are not equipped to advocate for themselves. What kind of monster would think it's important to express their "dislike" of a group like that?
This has nothing to do with whether people should want to have children. It would probably be better for the world to adopt some version of an antinatalist position tbh. All I'm saying is that children are people.
― Treeship, Monday, 12 December 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
you sound like my republican uncle
― donut, Monday, 12 December 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link
Sounds like the voiceover to an advert for some (weird) charity.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link
This has nothing to do with whether people should want to have children.
otm.
but actively hating kids is def misanthropic
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link
ty treesh
antidog ppl itt maybe even worse tho
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link
this is very OTM
― the late great, Monday, 12 December 2016 18:40 (seven years ago) link
their ability to show love without a second thought.
Positively doglike.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link
is taking sides like which group do you prefer, or taking sides like who would win in a fight? either way i guess my answer is "most animals"
― Karl Malone, Monday, 12 December 2016 18:43 (seven years ago) link
Evil guide dog excepted.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:43 (seven years ago) link
Now that Treeship has said all that needed to be said, this thread can get down to nattering.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link
Kids are mistreated all around the world and they are not equipped to advocate for themselves. What kind of monster would think it's important to express their "dislike" of a group like that?
otm, kids are the most vulnerable people in the world, they are utterly dependent on adults to take care of them and people exploit their vulnerability on a daily basis. "oh but they are loud and they irritate me" v cool opinion lex!
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:49 (seven years ago) link
but i do like children a lot, no hatred there. babies are weird little amazing aliens. watching toddlers learn how to communicate and connect things together is living edutainment. 4-7 year olds can be the most fun people to engage with, when they're completely freaking out about who broke a toy or whatever. and even terrible adolescents are kind of amazing for the emotional split they go through, the realization that they're going to die and that their mom or dad is going to die, the first grappling with the idea that there might not be a god or that most people just worship the god or gods that they were assigned according to their place of birth, but also on the flip side their minds and experiences are rapidly expanding and they're kind of scoping out the boundaries of their lives, getting a taste of what their personal limits might be and how far they might able to go. it's all good.
on the other hand, you haven't LIVED if you haven't wrestled with a labrador retriever in the snow
― Karl Malone, Monday, 12 December 2016 18:49 (seven years ago) link
obv that should be when they're NOTcompletely freaking out about who broke a toy or whatever
if someone out there really enjoys engaging with 4-7 year olds when they're freaking about who broke the toy, then that person is The Chosen One
― Karl Malone, Monday, 12 December 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link
tbh that wasn't very obvious
― ¶ (DJP), Monday, 12 December 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link
maybe lex is just angling for a DHS Administration of Children and Families post in the Trump admin
― Οὖτις, Monday, 12 December 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link
i suppose so many people having children despite the fact that they've seen how crappy it looks to be the parent of young children shows that humans are not generally motivated by hedonism above all
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link
masochism
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 22:58 (five years ago) link
eh
I am literally at this exact moment feeling very worn down & exhausted by children, but the peaks of today, while mundane and more or less impossible to convey to other, were still of the punch-the-parental-joy-centers, would still make me do it again, and I think there is a large amount of hedonism in there. I felt really amazing today watching my three-year-old spell out words. It's a feeling I am more than willing to suffer for, if suffer I must, which I must
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link
3 is pretty young to be spelling words!
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:12 (five years ago) link
i feel that the thread ought not to take the turn of ilx parents defending their children
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:52 (five years ago) link
let them stand up for themselves, toughen the lil bastards up i say
Taking Sides: Moana OST Mono 2016 vs. Moana OST remasters 2018
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:03 (five years ago) link
it's completely insane and we were not really ready for this. dude has so far done everything extremely early, from opening his eyes when he was super tiny to crawling to walking to forming sentences, we are baffled
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link
Ha kinda like yrs truly
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:20 (five years ago) link
That kid has a futureCongrats JoanYou must be a proud momma
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:21 (five years ago) link
I am though the other side of this is my dude was done with his baby days VERY early and this is our last kid and I am in heavy mourning that my baby raising days are over and people talk about grandpa renting but I'm an older mom and there won't be a whole lot of grandparenting for me, most likely. still, this kid began a sentence with "in my case" about half an hour ago and I fuckin died it was so hilarious and great
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:24 (five years ago) link
lol "grandpa renting"
it worked tbh
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:26 (five years ago) link
Nice
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:37 (five years ago) link
shooting the shit with a 3 year old near or past bedtime can be terrifying or magical
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:40 (five years ago) link
Mr potty mouthBreeze, if you please
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:42 (five years ago) link
still, this kid began a sentence with "in my case" about half an hour ago and I fuckin died it was so hilarious and great
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, October 9, 2018 8:24 PM (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
god I would just die
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 October 2018 01:23 (five years ago) link
mine told me he was gonna take the skeleton out of my body
― kinder, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 01:26 (five years ago) link
hahahaha excellent
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 01:26 (five years ago) link
i enjoy talking to kids now and then, and they don't bite
my niece is almost 12 now, i like getting laughs as stupidly as possible from her, but obv she's a teen-rebel-in-training
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 01:28 (five years ago) link
― kinder, Tuesday, October 9, 2018 6:26 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
listen
can I get this service from your child, I desire it frequently
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 01:54 (five years ago) link