(still naughty though!)
― troops in djibouti (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 December 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link
I want to hear more about this universe of straw man trump voters who don't read the NYT and yet are also the reason why we should still support the NYT
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 8 December 2016 17:56 (seven years ago) link
Because without the journalistic services provided by the times and similar outlets even we -- the ilx elite -- wouldnt have been well informed this election season
― Treeship, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
(totally not trying to hijack into the eternally fun topic of, ppl who can simultaneously say "ARTISTS WHO HAVE GIVEN US SO MUCH JOY DESERVE A LIVING WAGE" as well as "hey can somebody rip this ace track for me plzthx" - it just kinda suggests itself)
― troops in djibouti (Ye Mad Puffin)
i have also been known to turn the ac on in october, clearly i don't _really_ care about the environment
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:15 (seven years ago) link
liz spayd is terrible at her job in a way that only fuels normalization of trump's worst tendencies. she recently argued that reporters should be more sympathetic to people who act racist yet don't think they're racist. her constituency is this weird amalgam of market forces and moldy ideas of "objectivity," a fact that's only made worse by her puny intellect.
― maura, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
As long as there are tens of millions of people saying things like: Snopes is an Obama mouthpiece owned by Soros; why should I trust the obviously partisan Washington Post/New York Times; of COURSE Politifact and Glenn Kessler are biased leftists... The media's just preaching to the converted and it won't change any of the minds that need to change.
Which makes me wonder: how many people under, say, 25 have any conception of "editorial" as separated from "reported news"?
― Swag Heathen (theStalePrince), Thursday, 8 December 2016 19:08 (seven years ago) link
under, say 45
― troops in djibouti (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 December 2016 19:33 (seven years ago) link
this is awesome. a friend of mine posted it online. her dad was the editor of the daily news at the time and he is great in this. so funny. he was editor during the height of my love for the new york daily news. anyway, this is quite the roundtable:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?7046-1/whos-journalist-talk-show-sensationalism
― scott seward, Friday, 9 December 2016 04:07 (seven years ago) link
http://www.splc.org/article/2016/12/missing-a-review-of-newspaper-theft-and-vandalism-at-colleges-across-the-country
― j., Friday, 9 December 2016 04:52 (seven years ago) link
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/donald-trump-is-gaslighting-america
Teen Vogue blowing up the spot
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 10 December 2016 23:59 (seven years ago) link
Key sentence:
The President of the United States cannot be lying to the American electorate with zero accountability.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 11 December 2016 00:35 (seven years ago) link
I'm happy that Teen Vogue is willing to go there. No snark intended, but I really hope we don't have to rely solely on Teen Vogue to be the vanguard of the media pushback.
― troops in djibouti (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 11 December 2016 12:45 (seven years ago) link
Not even respectable as packing material imho
https://mobile.twitter.com/mattmfm/status/807685349195522048
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 11 December 2016 17:38 (seven years ago) link
https://mobile.twitter.com/AJentleson/status/807443174344036352
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2016/12/11/the-news-media-is-good-for-what-exactly/
― El Tomboto, Monday, 12 December 2016 05:20 (seven years ago) link
uuuuugh
― Karl Malone, Monday, 12 December 2016 06:17 (seven years ago) link
pretty obvious that that letter writer was being ironic when he made it seem like internment was like a job. dumb letter regardless, obv
― k3vin k., Monday, 12 December 2016 06:28 (seven years ago) link
If we're talking about the decline of the newspaper industry in combination with how hard it will become for 'trad. media' to do their jobs under Trump, and track the many mistakes they make, I'd suggest following Jay Rosen on twitter. This from last night is pretty on point imho: 'Winter is coming: what it will be like for the press under Trump'
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 12 December 2016 10:51 (seven years ago) link
hate to be this guy but it sort of...says...something...that many of the people who are most vocal about the lack of good investigative reporting and how they're going to cancel their NYT subscriptions are also the ones who (seemingly unironically?) are promoting this dumb teen vogue op-ed that features no original reporting
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 December 2016 02:08 (seven years ago) link
I don't know what it says, maybe I need to meet some many of the people
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 02:18 (seven years ago) link
seems like people don't want investigative reporting as much as they want to see their worldview faithfully represented in the media
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 December 2016 02:27 (seven years ago) link
OK, that's a little clearer. I'm sure for the majority of people that's the case, as about a bazillion studies of online behavior and preferences have shown. Didn't know the NYT had the monopoly on "investigative reporting" though. Will have to dig into that.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 02:38 (seven years ago) link
NYT doesn't have a monopoly; no one is claiming that it does.
But many hundreds of newspapers are still technically "publishing" while doing almost nothing that even resembles traditional journalism. This coast-to-coast hollowing-out of what was once a pretty robust ecosystem is disheartening. The NYT may blow dead bears at doing its job, but it is one of very few outlets that are even trying.
― troops in djibouti (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link
thanks gannett, thanks tronc, thanks wall street
― maura, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
i buy the PAPER nyt 3x a week (incl Sunday, total $10) and can forage one daily off subway seats if i gotta
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link
"many of the people who are most vocal about the lack of good investigative reporting and how they're going to cancel their NYT subscriptions are also the ones who (seemingly unironically?) are promoting this dumb teen vogue op-ed that features no original reporting"
I'd like to see some data, please. some numbers telling us how many people who say they are going to cancel their NYT subscriptions are also sharing this Teen Vogue editorial. 2 of your Facebook friends? 3? We demand facts.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 17:38 (seven years ago) link
that "dumb teen vogue op-ed" may not be the sine qua non of courageous journalism, but it makes its point well and it was a point well worth making.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link
and anna wintour, who is artistic director for teen vogue parent condé nast, met with trump this morning. so...
― maura, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link
wait what why did that happen
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 18:23 (seven years ago) link
bcz she's AW
http://img.timeinc.net/time/2010/time100_poll_walkup/wintour_anna.jpg
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link
http://maglomaniac.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/The-Velvet-Underground-002.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 18:32 (seven years ago) link
http://images.onionstatic.com/clickhole/3502/3/16x9/640.jpg
http://www.clickhole.com/article/farewell-icon-anna-wintour-being-dragged-woods-dee-5212
― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/29361/3283952-javier-bardem-anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link
a reason to go buy a damn copy of the Sunday Times
http://www.nytco.com/new-york-times-to-offer-special-puzzle-section-exclusive-to-print-readers/
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Sunday, 18 December 2016 23:08 (seven years ago) link
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2016/12/stop-the-press - reinforces my points
so far since the election I've spent more on "news" than I have in years but none of it has gone to a major US daily
― a Warren Beatty film about Earth (El Tomboto), Monday, 19 December 2016 22:15 (seven years ago) link
should we just make a new thread about what a bootlicking shit show the new york times is
― The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Saturday, 31 December 2016 02:53 (seven years ago) link
Isn't there already an NYT thread? Quiddities of the ruling class or w/e
― maccabeelzebubbly (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:08 (seven years ago) link
I dunno, man, if the same shit reporters keep writing shit pieces, maybe we can try shining a light on those fuckers instead of this 'throw the baby out with the bathwater' kick the world seems to be on of late.
― DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 January 2017 15:31 (seven years ago) link
^^^^^
― maura, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
http://www.cjr.org/the_feature/arts_music_critics.php?utm_content=buffer249b5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
― Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 January 2017 00:46 (seven years ago) link
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/public-editor/a-muted-alarm-bell-over-russian-election-hacking.html
― Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Saturday, 21 January 2017 13:33 (seven years ago) link
So this long piece at Wired by Gabriel Snyder is a lot more even-handed (i.e. not a total exercise in slobbering all over the disruptive tech people) than I would suspect based on headline and venue:
One of the biggest initiatives Dolnick has been involved in is virtual reality. He says it started with an email he sent to Silverstein last year: “Hey man, want to see something cool?” Dolnick had just visited a VR production company called Vrse (since renamed Within) and brought one of their films, Clouds Over Sidra, into his office. The Times has since jumped into VR, partnering with Google to send its Cardboard VR viewers to all of its 1.1 million Sunday print-edition subscribers, creating an NYT VR app that’s been downloaded more than 1 million times, and producing 16 (and counting) original films about topics as varied as displaced refugees (The Displaced), floating movie stars (Take Flight), and battling ISIS in Iraq (The Fight for Falluja). It remains a working experiment. The floating movie stars, for example: “People liked it, it got pretty good views,” Silverstein says. “But it didn’t feel like we were advancing the ball. It had a little whiff of ‘Look at us. We have VR.’”Even as Sulzberger boasts, “We employ more journalists who can write code than any other news organization,” there are some at the Times—usually those who can’t write code—who chafe at these endless waves of experimentation. “When we’re told this is the new best practice, everyone marches in lockstep,” says one editor who asked to remain anonymous. “Facebook Live? Yep! Video? On it! The New York Times isn’t a place where people say no, and we’re flat-out exhausted.”
Even as Sulzberger boasts, “We employ more journalists who can write code than any other news organization,” there are some at the Times—usually those who can’t write code—who chafe at these endless waves of experimentation. “When we’re told this is the new best practice, everyone marches in lockstep,” says one editor who asked to remain anonymous. “Facebook Live? Yep! Video? On it! The New York Times isn’t a place where people say no, and we’re flat-out exhausted.”
― El Tomboto, Monday, 13 February 2017 22:21 (seven years ago) link
duh, link
https://www.wired.com/2017/02/new-york-times-digital-journalism/
Is there a chrome plug-in that ensures I don't get to see anything Charles Krauthammer contributes to WaPo, even the headline, even the suggestion that he writes for them at all? I get why he's on the masthead, for balance and all, but he's such a hateful choad I'd just like to live in ignorance of anything he ever does.
― Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Friday, 24 February 2017 12:46 (seven years ago) link
HamNo takes his turn at the piñata
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-new-york-times-is-not-built-for-this-1793008337
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 04:59 (seven years ago) link
HamNo OTM
― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 07:06 (seven years ago) link
Who the fuck cares about columnists?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 14:32 (seven years ago) link
columnists
― Thank you for your service, wasteman (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 14:38 (seven years ago) link
Someone should write a think piece about that. I nominate ... Friedman. Go!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 14:40 (seven years ago) link
yogurt and squats blogger takes aim at the gray lady
― frankie r. failson (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 14:47 (seven years ago) link