Westworld, where all your fanboy theories come true!
What a waste tbh. Enjoyed the finale finally getting to where it was obviously always going to get to but there was no weight to any of it. Less of a drama, more of a computer programme executing something shiny that you'd told it to do. The entire series should have been two episodes max - and in terms of whatever grand narrative they have planned, everything that happened is only a prologue.
Disappointed that Maeve didn't make it to the mysterious real world too but was that meant to be her finally making an independent decision? Or was she always programmed to turn back?
Logan turned out to be both more interesting and more likeable than William, whose arc was basically "went mad, stayed boring". Feel like we could've done with the scene where he decided Logan needed to be naked.
I get why Dolores's story was told in a confusing non-linear multiple timeline way but even if that's what was happening to her, it leeched the narrative of any drama or easily followable sense.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:19 (seven years ago) link
Every Maeve scene, and Armistice/Hector helping her break out, was like a million times more electrifying than ANY other scene.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:20 (seven years ago) link
Less of a drama, more of a computer programme executing something shiny that you'd told it to do
they're being meta, don't you see
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:21 (seven years ago) link
lex otm
this was dumb and sucked. what a slog.
when the lindelof show beats you at mystery, setting and heartstring tugging you've really blown it hard
― goole, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:34 (seven years ago) link
i was really hoping maeve was going to kill more people in this
― akm, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
by shooting laser beams from her eyes!
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:55 (seven years ago) link
Feel like we could've done with the scene where he decided Logan needed to be naked.
I think the drama as William connived, looking off into the horizon, his true self or potential revealed... was all a bit undercut by Logan's pubes just over his shoulder.
― Evan, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 19:12 (seven years ago) link
i kinda liked the complete absurdity of that but i am totally accepting this show's dumbness
― i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 20:33 (seven years ago) link
lex otm, tho i still enjoyed this as dumb entertainment
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 20:50 (seven years ago) link
i thought william murdered logan
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 21:50 (seven years ago) link
i also thought that -- sent him off into the wilderness on the horse and left him to die
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 21:51 (seven years ago) link
where he has amassed a group of misfit wildling androids who will feature prominently in season two
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link
That was my first thought too, but it seems like there would have been greater fallout from that, especially if William is supposed to have come back to his father-in-law and been like "hey, that place was great, we should definitely invest in its future!"
xp
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:01 (seven years ago) link
I'm not sure I really understand how it works but I thought the guests and hosts locations were monitored despite their freedom, and you'd think there would be some security in place to keep guests from wandering off and dying.
― Evan, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:01 (seven years ago) link
and those are just a few of the many truck sized plot holes
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:07 (seven years ago) link
Well that's the thing I'm not sure what is implied in regards to Logan's fate.
― Evan, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:12 (seven years ago) link
If it's in the past it may be before the monitoring was that good
― banfred bann (wins), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:13 (seven years ago) link
I only watched a couple of episodes of lost but it's funny that people were worrying that this last episode wouldn't provide any answers when they should have been worrying about 90 minutes of "answers" being hella boring
― banfred bann (wins), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:15 (seven years ago) link
I hope what Nolan/Joy do NOT try and do next season is try and retcon all of the plot holes. Cuz I could see them spending the whole season on it.
― schwantz, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 01:16 (seven years ago) link
hope its just a big robot cult orgy
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 02:57 (seven years ago) link
well predictably, the final was a mess.the worst part being the william/mib story reveal.the security at the HQ during the escape of Maeve's crew was also embarrasing (what a good idea to go alone in the middle of all the robots to try and find these killer escaping hosts !).also wtf the techguy planing to rape Hector !?gods are pussies indeed.that said, I kinda enjoyed the nihilism and robots uprising/board massacre at the end.At the end of the season, after all these tedious moments, it brought some satisfaction. a bit like a child breaking all his toys !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 11:34 (seven years ago) link
I doubt I'll watch s2 though...
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 11:35 (seven years ago) link
oh and so Dolores was Wyatt !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 12:26 (seven years ago) link
"also wtf the techguy planing to rape Hector !?"
what? who is hector? did I sleep through this?
― akm, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 14:20 (seven years ago) link
This is Hector:
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/4/48/Ellaria-Sand-Game-of-Thrones_S6_finale.jpg
― Evan, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 14:23 (seven years ago) link
― schwantz, Tuesday, December 6, 2016 8:16 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a whole season of retcons would be sort of hilarious tbh, like the ending to a episode of "Xavier: Renegade Angel"
― the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 15:58 (seven years ago) link
that said, I kinda enjoyed the nihilism and robots uprising/board massacre at the end.At the end of the season, after all these tedious moments, it brought some satisfaction. a bit like a child breaking all his toys !
I can recommend a film where this happens after like 15 minutes
― banfred bann (wins), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 16:10 (seven years ago) link
I do think it's funny how this thread has been like 90% "fuck this awful show" for 10 weeks. For me it's the first time I've been watching along & "in the conversation" for a bad tv show that I actively disliked (as opposed to a bad show I enjoy), it's much more fun to make fun of than to watch but other than that I have trouble explaining why I (or anyone) watched all the way to the end. Granted I was browsing ilx during a lot of it and never once paid the slightest attention whenever Hopkins the world's most boring mad scientist was talking as it was such obvious terrible rubbish, and it was "only" ten hours, but still
― banfred bann (wins), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 16:18 (seven years ago) link
The "metafictional" elements are of no conceivable use to anyone unless they have literally never thought about anything before or have a thinkpiece quota to fill
― banfred bann (wins), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 16:20 (seven years ago) link
My friend says the control and repair areas are just another "world" in which the Asian dude is a guest.
― calstars, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 17:33 (seven years ago) link
https://youtu.be/l0k92RSxYq0
― banfred bann (wins), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
I have trouble explaining why I (or anyone) watched all the way to the end
it was never quite bad enough to stop or escape the feeling that lurking somewhere in it was a really good show
i didn't even think it handled its ~philosophical pretensions on the nature of consciousness stupidly, just...slowly
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 17:56 (seven years ago) link
I don't know, my wife smelled a rat in episode two, which also put her to sleep. That's when we jumped RoboShip.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 18:19 (seven years ago) link
The soothing smell of rats...
― schwantz, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link
Do Androids Dream of Electric rats?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 18:42 (seven years ago) link
Last night while trying to get some tiny amount of fitful sleep against a bunch of flu symptoms that hit me all at once like a truck (I got my shot, wtf) I had a dream, clear as day, that they had a fantasy setting park, but since the host dragons couldn't actually fly, they had to hide a functioning autogyro/hovercraft thing inside and a human pilot had to fly it. There were other shim technologies for magic but not as specific as the dragon-belly-aircraft bit.
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― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 21:50 (seven years ago) link
so I was wondering : what is the huge construction area that ford started ? is it the old town that was dug out ? or some kind of land of the free were the hosts will be able to live and fight the Man in the next season ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 8 December 2016 09:58 (seven years ago) link
It isn't as bad as the old series anyway.
I never watched Lost so don't have that as a comparison. Not sure what else there is comparable.
Have been enjoying Humans the Channel 4 remake of a Danish show also exploring AI. Though I think that has its flaws too. Have wondered what the original is like though.
Still wondering just how vast the area of the park is. Somebody was it Logan mentioned it was prety huge in the last episode.Also wondering what is next to the park. Almost sounded like William took Logan to the edge of teh park and then set him loose off the edge. INto what I don't know. It looked pretty green though.& I've been half thinking that the only reason you could have vast space for park is if the adjoining land was in some way damaged/needing reclaim. Still not sure exactly how far in the future this is set.
What was shown of towns has looked like it's neon but not sure how far from present taht would make things. & maybe Neon is a thing that is no longer taht futuristic anyway.
Do wonder what season 2 will bring us. Some coherence?
― Stevolende, Thursday, 8 December 2016 11:12 (seven years ago) link
during the final scene on the beach, it was obvious that the moon was artificial. which means that the whole world is actually artificial (moon,sun, sky...). like in the Truman Show !so who knows where the park is set considering that...
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 8 December 2016 11:31 (seven years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/news/70292-westworld-soundtrack-released-featuring-radiohead-nine-inch-nails-amy-winehouse-covers-listen/
thinking about it, the music is pretty good in the show (the saloon piano covers didn't become as over the top as could be feared). and the heavy use of Radiohead (especially OK Computer) obviously makes sense for these paranoid androids !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 8 December 2016 12:11 (seven years ago) link
The moon was artificial how? I missed that.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:04 (seven years ago) link
They copied and pasted the winking emoji over the man in the moon
― Number None, Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:19 (seven years ago) link
Well, it's not said or shown (I think ?) but it seemed obvious to me !after a quick search, I found this : http://screenrant.com/westworld-future-location-setting/
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:35 (seven years ago) link
All right guys, now rewind the whole series and watch it again. This time not looking, but seeing. #Westworld #WestworldFinale — #EvanRachelWould (@evanrachelwood) Dec. 5, 2016
— #EvanRachelWould (@evanrachelwood) Dec. 5, 2016
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/05/westworld-season-finale-violent-delights-violent-ends-and-new-questions/
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:37 (seven years ago) link
and make sure you listen instead of hearing
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:51 (seven years ago) link
let's bot and say we did
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:53 (seven years ago) link
i think that "fake moon" was just a spotlight used for that particular scene set up for the investors, but would have to re-watch to comfirm. which i won't.
― circa1916, Thursday, 8 December 2016 14:10 (seven years ago) link
petition to make this the title for the eventual s2 thread
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 December 2016 14:15 (seven years ago) link
I figured it was going to be...Westworld Season 2: It Doesn't Look Like Anything to Me
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 December 2016 14:26 (seven years ago) link
Westworld Season 2 : fucked up as f**k (Insecure style !)
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 8 December 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link