Fugazi: C or D?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guvwUUCvsKs&feature=share

^^Not showing up for me. What is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guvwUUCvsKs

I love how Albini said for years that Fugazi was one of the few bands he respected so much he'd record them for free. And then he recorded them and they didn't use it.

Hmm. I can sorta see why they scrapped this, but I say that as someone very, very familiar with IOTKT as it was released

But none of these versions are better than the album versions

(see also: First Demo. How many times have you listened to that one since you bought it?)

Ian Mackaye of Fugazi/Minor Threat/ Dischord Records at the #JuggaloMarch pic.twitter.com/acrebJ4zCd

— #retiredpunk (@NickKarpPhotos) September 17, 2017

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0002/018/MI0002018821.jpg

Saw that! Watched Brendan Canty playing drums with Lizzi from GangGang Dance & guitarist Dana Vorhees at the Hirshhorn Museum Yoko Ono tribute. Canty & Joe Lally will be backing Daniel Johnston on his upcoming DC gig.

Koolest Wizards jumbotron screengrab of all time? pic.twitter.com/XV6Xt4R8D1

— Chris _ _ Richards (@Chris__Richards) November 10, 2017

Also, had no idea Lally and Canty were in a new band together.

(With Anthony Pirog)

& Rites of Spring really surprised me

Welp, that rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0nFZe_e-qc

new canty/lally/pirog track

Another track here https://themessthetics.bandcamp.com/track/serpent-tongue

Messthetics album release is March 23. Brendan Canty is also gonna be busy touring with MC5 50th anniversary group with Wayne Kramer and others

End hits fucking rules

^otm

all fugazi albums rule

Steady Diet of Nothing doesn't imo but that's about it

No, that one rules, too. A lot.

Steady Diet a lot better than End Hits - the former a much better showcase for the rhythm section, which is the band's strongest point.

(what I mean is the instrumental-side of Fugazi is better in the context of short, tightly wound interplay where the bass/drums are at the forefront - 'jammy' Fugazi isn't the best Fugazi IMO)

i'd call red medicine jammy, end hits i guess is playing-wise but towards much more frictive ends? anyway that era is my favorite of theirs, i think the rhythm section gets plenty of shine and the compositions especially on end hits hit a great balance of punch and spaciousness (both of which iirc steady diet lacks a bit i comparison to their other records variously, though it still rules)

the argument hits that balance the most smoothly and so might be their best (it's a good record to end on as it ties together strands of their previous modes to creates its own). i listen to it less though bc i love their jammy mode

There is a case to be made that The Argument=Red Medicine/End Hits. End Hits is the one I listen to the least, for no good reason.

In On The Kill Taker is the band's most aggro album. "Facet Squared" - an awesome rush, but why even bother with lyrics? Blaaaargh!

...and their best, IMO. Probably their loudest album but also more dynamically nuanced than the earlier stuff. Plus "Sweet and Low" (an example of why I'm iffy about the longer, later material - they perfected the "this is a Fugazi instrumental" here)

"Facet Squared" - an awesome rush, but why even bother with lyrics? Blaaaargh!

ah but Facet Squared includes one of my absolute favourite Ian lines - "We draw lines and we stand behind them / That's why flags are such ugly things"

I love the lyrics to Facet Squared. 'Cool's eternal but it's always dated' has the ring of a stolen revealed truth.

Yeah, but did you catch any of those lyrics without a lyrics sheet?

Steady Diet is the one that most consistently slays from beginning to end imo. Maybe others have higher highs but it's still my favorite to play in the car.

xp "Irony is the refuge of the educated" was a line ahead of its time imo

That and "I hate the sound of guitars" are the fugazi lyrics I think about most

Messthetics LP is awesome, gotta check out more music by this Anthony Pirog guy

Good podcast interview w/Ian about some of the music that mattered to him: http://wypr.org/post/essential-tremors-ian-mackaye

Fugazi rules. my first album of theirs was "Red Medicine" and i was shocked it was only $10. soon enough picked up "Repeater" and listened to those two a lot in my first year of college. kept up with them off an on and always enjoyed their stuff. i remember really liking the "Instrument" movie, which was the last thing i heard of them.

i got to see them play a show in early 2000s. it was of course a great show, and they stopped it midway through to throw out somebody in the audience who was being unduly aggressive. as a small person who always had to be cautious around mosh pits at shows, seeing this in action was very much appreciated!

No one wants to discuss this Mesthetics record, huh? Quit living in the past!

Mostly kidding here. But this record is great and should be getting more attention.

Fuck it, I'm starting a thread

I just didn't think it was that great personally even though it's good to hear Canty + Lally together again.

gotta check out more music by this Anthony Pirog guy

Enjoy!

https://open.spotify.com/album/62JuK3H7TjIMAKbHPDSoCU

Seriously, though. Please enjoy that.

the best

i want to read this

https://www.amazon.com/Fugazis-Kill-Taker-Joe-Gross-ebook/dp/B07BFGYYG8/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Ordered. It should have a sticker on the back that says "$11 postage paid" or something.

Love this album. I will definitely be buying this.

i listened to 13 songs today so many jams....13 jams to be exact

killtaker was my first (but not my last). facet squared is a helluva intro to a band (esp if you're 17 and you only bought it because Eddie Vedder said it was great)

Just started reading this book and I am stoked, but already encountered something that super irked me. He's writing about the failed Albini sessions, and saying how it should have been the perfect pairing, a la (his comparisons) Miles Davis and Rudy Van Gelder (I'd say Teo Macero, but fine) but then also ... Jay Z and "Doctor Dre." First, that he spelled (or someone corrected) it "Doctor." Second, Jay-Z and Dr. Dre barely did anything together, right? Let alone formed some epochal team. Unless I'm reading his reference wrong, and it was supposed to be a dream team, but Miles and Rudy was real, so this one seems like a weird unforced error.

"Doctor Dre" oh man. But it's about what I'd expect from the 33 1/3 series. There are definitely a couple of good entries, but it's strictly amateur hour for the most part.

the perfect pairing, a la (his comparisons) Miles Davis and Rudy Van Gelder (I'd say Teo Macero, but fine)

Yeah, that's an odd one. Miles obviously worked a lot with Van Gelder, but never in Van Gelder's most celebrated studio, and never on any of Miles' most celebrated recordings (not that Walkin' etc. aren't celebrated; just that you don't think "yeah, Miles & Rudy!" on those, whereas you definitely think "yeah, Miles & Teo!" on their records together). John Coltrane and Rudy Van Gelder would've been a better example.

Jay Z and "Doctor Dre."

wtf

Joe should know better (& editor too)

they sound like red hot chili peppers. some good songs though.

Frusciante of RHCP was a Fugazi fan. But whatever

X-post — yeah I think I was at that Dismemberment Plan Fort Reno gig

xp where is the Fugazi song with slap bass, "funky" scratch guitar, and Kiedis-style vox?

Or maybe the question I'm asking is, where is the RHCP song that sounds like "Facet Squared"???

https://external-preview.redd.it/DyGgfXk_6agulpnt8MsRjLSPVoZZouUpXbRs3ITWJKE.jpg?auto=webp&s=6e80f3d9d0975a20c7201c1e03407e728482a922

"Flippy-dippy doo, flippy doopy doo-doo!"

https://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/2013+Coachella+Valley+Music+Arts+Festival+eBKFlxy5vMel.jpg
"Why can't I walk down the streeeet, free from bass-slappin' ..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wweoL5v9vW8

sorry to ruin a fugazi thread with a video of the red hot chili peppers playing live but you'll hear "latest disgrace" at the top

That's cool. Imagining an alternate world where Joe Lally wriggled around like Flea.

I don't have a specific memory of it, but statistically speaking I am pretty sure I bought a cup of Haagen-Dazs raspberry sorbet from that guy at least twice.

I do get a little tired of thinking about him, though, because he had a brief period of urgent relevance and has had an EXTREMELY long period of being interviewed about his brief period of urgent relevance.

You know how Olympic gymnasts peak at approximately age 14? and then spend the rest of their lives coping with the fact that they were globally famous when they were 14 and now they're just... normal people? Yeah, that.

Taking sides: Häagen-Dazs vs. Frusen Glädjé

It's like the death metal of dessert products

some of their songs sound like rhcp

No they don't

I don't ever wanna feel
I'm in the waiting room

brief period of urgent relevance

uhhh if you think of 1981-2001 (20 years) as "brief", I guess?

Joe Lally’s dub reggae inspired bass playing seems different than Flea’s funk influenced bass

Sleeve, comrade,I like you and I like Ian and Brendan and the whole crowd.

But seriously. When a documentary filmmaker interviews someone with the last name MacKaye, they are not asking him questions about what he was up to in 2001.

Just kinda guessing here but I think most people want to know about the period of highest urgency, which is 1980 or 81 to 1990 or 91.

If you or someone you know was deeply into Fugazi in 2001, well, good for you. Pat yourself on the back for how well-versed you are in harDCore. Congrats.

I assume MacKaye has spent the majority of the last 20 years methodically transferring live recordings and videos to digital storage.

https://www.dischord.com/fugazi_live_series

They often used the audio from here for the movie doc rather than the sound recorded by the video cameras

Most of the songs in the doc are from the first two albums.

YMP drop the old guy act, plenty of people I know found this band extremely inspiring in the late 90s and beyond, sorry you're jaded

PS I have lived on the west coast for 30+ years, the band's enduring influence has nothing to do with your insular DC viewpoint

and re: questions asked in some doc I will never see, well maybe they should be asking about the Evens and maybe the 2005 tour with The Ex or y'know any of the other cool things Ian & Amy have been up to, do the fucking homework

at least they're fucking trying...

If you or someone you know was deeply into Fugazi in 2001, well, good for you. Pat yourself on the back for how well-versed you are in harDCore. Congrats.

I think it was on the Kreative Kontrol podcast a couple of years ago that MacKaye talked about things such as keeping Dischord records going and the importance of reissuing/keeping the back catalogue in print, migrating to Bandcamp, etc.

He seems to feel that his role is as a curator nowadays, and that's how he keeps busy, I forgot that Dischord was based on handshake contracts. He certainly has historian/journalistic instincts, inherited from his mother.

If you or someone you know was deeply into Fugazi in 2001, well, good for you. Pat yourself on the back for how well-versed you are in harDCore. Congrats.

hi dere, midwest hxc kid here, saw fugazi for the only time in 2001 and it was amazing

your opinions on this are weird, tho not as weird as the chili peppers guy

I was also at the AFI screening on Saturday night. The whole thing took shape in just a period of months when someone realized 2002 was the anniversary of Fugazi's last show. One of the performances shown was inserted like a week before the screening. It seems like they initially didn't even want to call it a documentary but there are interviews and inserts that lead me to believe they might keep working on it and release it as a doc at some point.

Was a fun time seeing something like the "Glue Man" performance in Olympia (shot by Lance Bangs, who was also in attendance) on the big AFI main theater screen.

*2022 was the anniversary, rather.

Sorry I've been testy, folks, just having a bad patch lately and it's coming out in weird unnecessarily strong opinions

Yeah, MacKaye I get the feeling is mostly in curator mode. It's not like he's some talking head media whore, out there seeking the spotlight. I think (like Albini) he's just doing his thing, but always happy to answer the phone.

Brendan seems busiest, then Joe, then ... I have no idea what Guy is up to.

If Ian is doing nothing more than making sure Dischord has the most efficient and easiest to deal with mail order service on planet Earth than that is enough

this was pretty recent long interview with Guy
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2rrhS2MD7xlcs5eQLOUEKw?si=ebd2810b15ce4383

Sorry I've been testy, folks, just having a bad patch lately and it's coming out in weird unnecessarily strong opinions

sorry for my unnecessarily testy reply, I'm a dick. But Fugazi in 2001 were a fantastic band, still at their peak IMO!

THink I may be missing out on a lot by being more familiar with the band from the early 90s. When they were quite incredible anyway.
Still can't get over somebody from Ugly Things saying taht Fugazi had nothing to do with punk, were more to do with math rock.
Seems to exist in a world where their own history and prehistory was erased if that were true.
Surely that is way more than opinion. I thought that they were incredibly influential on more punky bands even once they had developed to a point when they weren't immediately connected to 'punk' sonically. Thought they were laying blueprints for exploration and ethical conduct anyway.

you're not a dick, stevie

98-2001>88-91

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3li8fui6XcI

End Hits 4 lyfe

We are Fugazi concert film is showing in Philadelphia one night only June 11 . It just had an extended run in DC area at the AfI Silver that is scheduled to end tonight April 20

We Are Fugazi From Washington, DC exclusive Philly engagement at PhilaMOCA on Sunday, June 11, 7:00 PM. Tickets are on sale now: https://t.co/DUz5rS8shz pic.twitter.com/MewztvIVH3

— PhilaMOCA (@PhilaMOCA) April 20, 2023

And another showing in Harrisburg, PA on May 19

WE ARE FUGAZI FROM WASHINGTON, DC - HARRISBURG SCREENING - With Filmmaker Jeff Krulik In Person!

First Screening Outside of Maryland / DC area!
One Night Only! In conjunction with the 24th Annual Moviate Underground Film Festival!

https://allevents.in/harrisburg/we-are-fugazi-from-washington-dc-harrisburg-screening-with-filmmaker-jeff-krulik-in-person/200024480512020

Brooklyn NY showing tba