Is Donald J Trump a psychopath?

I usually groan at armchair diagnoses of public figures but Trump is for sure a pathological something-or-other

at the very least he's got narcissistic personality disorder

No, ma'am. He's a decent family man and citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues.

Yeah, what's our operating definition here?

*shits into a medium-sized receptacle of my own construct*

i have a psychiatry exam tomorrow and i'm gonna go with treeship's mom no

operating definition is that i feel like there is something fucked up about him that goes beyond mere sneakiness and maliciousness.

giving someone a psych diagnosis from a distance is generally nagl but narcissistic personality disorder definitely describes him a lot better than antisocial. i mean...ok i'll say it he definitely has NPD

there doesn't seem to be a person behind the performance of donald trump. i've spent the past year watching this election and never once felt like he was a person i could sit down and have an actual conversation with. also, he is so obscenely uninhibited, unbothered by all kinds of moral restraints that most of us experience as second nature

NPD might make more sense. i also sense some sadism in him, though. tonight he was laughing about martha raddatz crying after the election. he also likes to sexually assault people.

NPD/BPD combo? At the very least, I'd hope we could at least all agree that a man with an untreated profound mental illness is about to be our president. Sweet dreams!

NPD definitely, but does he fully slot into a proper diagnosis of psycho/sociopath, for as proper as such a diag on a message board can be? Does NPD now count in the -pathic category? I only hear secondhand complaints about the DSM5, I don't know these things myself

there have been several articles making the rounds about how trump has NPD

here are two

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/22/is-donald-trump-a-textbook-narcissist/?utm_term=.38cce2590588

of all the ones i have read i found this one most useful

https://medium.com/@nziehl/coping-with-chaos-in-the-white-house-697fa2ca3ddf#.f0qo8huxx

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

it doesn't matter

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

this is one of the slightly more embarrassing tantrumps tbh

whatever man, you're not getting deported

technically speaking its more that i never went but im sorry fer yer troubles

chances that trump deports more ppl than obama aren't very good

you're such a tiresome fuck

Trump probably only has 4 years to Obama's 8, though, so you're probably safe with that bet

facts, stubborn things, etc

happy holidays tho

4 people on ilx think i am a psychopath

My psychic (I keep one on retainer) tells me one of the four is Donald Trump and the other three are interns he ordered to register with ILX in order to vote.

my favorite way to listen to the president is slowed down to 1/2 speed because it reveals how often times his logic is indistinguishable from that of a drunk person: pic.twitter.com/QiUb4CQdU9

— Arlen Parsa voted! (@arlenparsa) November 7, 2018

4 people on ilx think i am a psychopath

― Treeship, Saturday, December 24, 2016 11:11 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is that why you changed your name

Yeah but you guys figured it out

Kimmel has been making slowed down "Drunk Donald Trump" videos ever since the election.

even more revelatory are the videos where they dub him over Master Shake

lol at the John McCain quote

what's crazy about trump is that he apparently doesn't drink at all. this is him operating at the top of his game

He’s sleep deprived and doesn’t eat plants though

I'm going with early-onset dementia magnified by decades of overdosing on finasteride.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/02/03/side-effects-of-the-drug-trump-reportedly-takes-for-hair-loss/

happy 30th anniversary of trump taking out $85K worth of newspaper ads calling for the execution of the central park five

He's such a Gemini.

DAVID CAY JOHNSTON: Yes. Almost two cents of every dollar reported as losses one year by everyone in the United States were reported by Donald Trump. And what this shows is something I’ve been saying and writing about Trump for 30 years: he is a terrible businessman. His business model is not to get an enterprise, to nurture it, to grow it, to make it more profitable over time. His business model is the same as a mob bust-out. Get your hands on an enterprise, squeeze all the cash out of it, don’t pay your vendors, try to cheat as best you can your employees, don’t pay the bankers — and Trump once said, “I borrowed money knowing I wouldn’t pay it back” — and then leave the carcass and go on to the next deal.

That’s why the Art of the Deal is so significant in all of this, because Trump’s business model is to rip off one person after another who gets involved with him thinking he will make them wealthy while he is destroying their wealth. Donald is, after Bernie Madoff, arguably the greatest wealth destroyer in American history.

that makes him smart

Coming in 2054 to PBS: "Nation of Chumps - The Trump Years"

this is just the fishiest thing i've ever heard of

"Almost two cents of every dollar reported as losses one year by everyone in the United States were reported by Donald Trump."

but he kept his businesses? and wasn't audited?

I think part of the antichrist's deal is that he's able to pull off feats just as astonishing as his opposite except they just leave everyone feeling like they need a shower and a fifth of vodka.

I thought some of this would be cleared up by mueller

Naively i see now

Note who the US AG for Southern District of NY was during these years. Giuliani.

Honestly, it's not the tax loss carryforwards that trouble me. Its the fact that real estate has more intrinsic incentives towards fraud than most industries, and Trump is clearly less principled than most people. I've no doubt his first 20 years in the business was rife with assessment fraud, but unlike some 800 fraudsters who had jail time during the 1980s S&L crisis, Trump carried on scot free.

That and then was the time to go through his dealings with a fine toothed comb, and Giuliani didn't.

was were rife

Trump probably envisions himself a manly centaur, but he's really just a run of the mill satyr.

https://garydevore.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/satyriconwtf.jpg

When you've gone past satire to satyr.

Nobody likes Reverse Centaur.

https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--xSGWTJoC--/t_Preview/b_rgb:eae0c7,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1446244662/production/designs/297923_2.jpg

hahaha

horse dad with giant horse dick: do not look at human dick, my son

we horses have perfect, blessed dicks. the human dicks are shameful and cursed

they're just so...out there and in your face

Omg Becky, look at his dick

endangering his secret service detail in order to give his fans a drive by greeting is unfathomably callous. he should be especially sensitive to the fact that contracting the disease is a serious concern given that two days ago he was reportedly panicking about it himself as his oxygen levels dropped to concerning levels.

He also made some comment about "meeting some of the soldiers" there. Not sure if he was bullshitting trying to sound commander-in-chief-y.

why should he worry about giving covid to someone else? by definition, someone else is not him, so...

?

he does not believe that other people are even real, with the possible exception of one (1) of his five publicly-known children

exactly

that is why i bumped the psychopath thread. maybe he is just a narcissist. i don't know if labels help, but there is something "off" about this dude.

I'm wondering if there is one thing "on" about this dude

I think Trump is stupid and reckless and a bad person in pretty much every sense of the word but this joyride thing is the first time I've thought he's literally an insane person

I don't know where the line between hyper-narcissist and psychopath is, or if the two aren't really connected. If such a line does exist, he has put down a marker where it is the past few days.

He's also quite clueless in gauging public reaction beyond his cult.

conservative america thinks 'freedom' is the unrestrained right to dominate. trump has no sense of others beyond himself at all, therefore he's maybe the purest possible embodiment of this ideal.

Put it this way: if 1% of the population is a sociopath, I find it hard to believe that there are 780 million people on the planet who care less about others than he does.

wow that's higher than i thought. i thought sociopathy was rare.

'Trump told advisers on Sunday that he was getting bored being in the hospital and was tiring of watching coverage of his hospitalization.' He briefly left the hospital to greet fans as confusion continues over his health @ToluseO @jdawsey1 @goldsteinamy https://t.co/O9QgVTACck

— Juliet Eilperin (@eilperin) October 4, 2020

seriously what the fuck

Put it this way: if 1% of the population is a sociopath, I find it hard to believe that there are 780 million people on the planet who care less about others than he does.

62 million Americans voted for Trump because he promised to hurt people

Put it this way: if 1% of the population is a sociopath, I find it hard to believe that there are 780 million people on the planet who care less about others than he does.

not that it affects things that much, but 1% of the population is around 78 million, not 780 million

but let's just make it an even 62 million

I'm talking world population.

He was probably tried of hearing himself described as overweight in every story about how the disease could affect him.

i mean, unperson is going to sweep in and "nail" me for this, but i don't think that was the prime motivator of most of his voters. a lot of those people just always vote for the republican because they think their tax bill will be lower or they think abortion is murder or whatever.

Oh sorry, you're right and I'm not reading properly. 78m yes!

xpost

Apparently some people think it's as high as 4%

https://cmc.marmot.org/Record/.b35000260

I'm talking world population.

7,800,000,000 * .01 = 78,000,000

it's a lot

wonder if any ilxors are psychopaths

^classic psychopathic speculation

I know none of u are psychopaths because none of u r real

I'm closer to believing no one else is real than not caring about anyone else's feelings. Solipsism is much more socially acceptable than sociopathy, and that matters to me.

He's also quite clueless in gauging public reaction beyond his cult.

Okay but he also doesn't care. Like, I have no problem agreeing that he doesn't know... but if he knew, he still wouldn't care.

I guess? I dunno. I am drinking bourbon and probably shouldn't also be doing amateur psychoanalysis.

he doesn't want people imagining him in a hospital bed so he is doing everything he can to replace that mental illness with these different images, like him tottering around in his suit signing documents or riding in a motorcade or whatever.

even the way he walked to the helicopter--unaccompanied, giving the thumbs up, he wants to seem in control. and you know, there isn't anything psychopathic about this. the problem is that he is putting others in danger.

Xps:
Narcissist, sociopathic, histrionic and borderline personality disorders enough commonalities that psychologists just lump them together as cluster B.

I've lost my family of origin because of a guy with elements of all the cluster B disorders dropped in 27 years ago. I'm not so keen on dissecting which ones he qualifies for in the Venn diagram. I think Trump is much the same.

I'm closer to believing no one else is real than not caring about anyone else's feelings. Solipsism is much more socially acceptable than sociopathy, and that matters to me.

yup. I noticed that sly one, too.

Okay but he also doesn't care.

I agree with that to a degree (and the same thought occurred to me after I posted), but he supposedly watches just as much CNN as Fox, and being delusional is part of his narcissism; when he went for his little joyride today, I bet part of him wanted to be admired--to be awed by his courage--by even those whom he knows hate him.

He totally cares. That's his whole thing! Nobody is that angry with every perceived slight if they truly dgaf

I'm going with totally clueless. He's always wanted everyone to adore him but doesn't know how to do it. In his 7th decade of trying he finally stumbled upon being a far right wing agitator. He could have a good deal more followers even he wasn't so fucking clueless about how boasting about your own intelligence, wealth and prowess turns many people off. Likewise, insulting women and ethnicities prob got him some laughs and attaboys in the country club locker room but…

I mean I've known quite a few people who make it pretty easy to deduce that they consider themselves to be world class geniuses but they at least have had enough social sense to not just BLURT IT OUT.

Dunno about psycho, but him and his cronies are def sociopaths according to Chomsky:

I have no independent evidence about what is inside people's minds. In the case of the Trump administration, I simply think that they don't care. They are sociopaths.

https://www.salon.com/2020/10/17/noam-chomsky-if-you-dont-push-the-lever-for-the-democrats-you-are-assisting-trump/