the frequency with which falafel and houmous are cited as items of pretentious middle-class foods is very telling w/r/t the exclusion of immigrants and POC from the "working class" umbrella - only the white working class are real working class, it seems
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:45 (seven years ago) link
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01706/blair-beer_1706299c.jpg
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:46 (seven years ago) link
is the brexiteer obsession with jam the flipside of this?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:47 (seven years ago) link
i read a lot of the food articles on the guardian and for my sins i sometimes end up reading the comments, there is some really vile small-mindedness there, and it's exactly like this - people raging about receipes with ethnic ingredients, like as if the idea of an ethnically diverse neighbourhood is some kind of snobbery in itself.
xpost
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:49 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_wkO4hk07o
They also never contain meat, which is important. Corbyn's vegetarianism means he's isn't a real man's man, ditto E-Mili's bacon sandwich problems.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:50 (seven years ago) link
i didn't think the bacon sandwich photo was supposed to be showing ed's disdain for the common man's carcinogenic meat, i assumed it was bullying more in the vein of "lol look at this man's face he cannot rule us"
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:52 (seven years ago) link
It was that as well.
I just thought "I bet there's an Orwell quote about this" and about ten seconds of Googling revealed this:
One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England. One day this summer I was riding through Letchworth when the bus stopped and two dreadful-looking old men got on to it. They were both about sixty, both very short, pink, and chubby, and both hatless. One of them was obscenely bald, the other had long grey hair bobbed in the Lloyd George style. They were dressed in pistachio-coloured shirts and khaki shorts into which their huge bottoms were crammed so tightly that you could study every dimple. Their appearance created a mild stir of horror on top of the bus. The man next to me, a commercial traveller I should say, glanced at me, at them, and back again at me, and murmured ‘Socialists’, as who should say, ‘Red Indians’. He was probably right — the I.L.P. were holding their summer school at Letchworth. But the point is that to him, as an ordinary man, a crank meant a Socialist and a Socialist meant a crank. Any Socialist, he probably felt, could be counted on to have something eccentric about him. And some such notion seems to exist even among Socialists themselves. For instance, I have here a prospectus from another summer school which states its terms per week and then asks me to say ‘whether my diet is ordinary or vegetarian’. They take it for granted, you see, that it is necessary to ask this question. This kind of thing is by itself sufficient to alienate plenty of decent people. And their instinct is perfectly sound, for the food-crank is by definition a person willing to cut himself off from human society in hopes of adding five years on to the life of his carcase; that is, a person but of touch with common humanity
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:55 (seven years ago) link
"Fruit juice drinker"
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:58 (seven years ago) link
you can put pretty much any banal activity into a format that makes it seem like something worthy of hatred, if you try hard enough.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:02 (seven years ago) link
i dunno what bruschetta is, i guess i have to work harder at being the liberal elite i strive to be
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:03 (seven years ago) link
ok for me the miliband sandwich issue has just sedimented out into several rival issues:
i: Ed is posh and this loathed the decent working man's food which showed on his face as he forced himself to eat it ii: Ed is vegetarian and cannot abide meat like an Orwell-loathed crank which showed on his face as he forced himself to eat it iii: Ed is Jewish and cannot abide bacon like some kind of muslim which showed on his face as he forced himself to eat itiv: Ed looks weird when he puts food in his mouth and chews
I had always gone for (iv): this has been an education in the layered subtleties of media-class self-loathing
― mark s, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:05 (seven years ago) link
i feel like it was definitely iv, in its entirety. i'm dubious about it being any other.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:06 (seven years ago) link
i didn't even know it was a bacon sandwich
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:07 (seven years ago) link
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:02 PM (five minutes ago)
"mouth-breather"
― emil.y, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:09 (seven years ago) link
brexiteers and jam (aka "comedy marmalade") derives from the fact that jam is one of only a small number of popular foodstuffs that we don't need to import* to turn into a valued commodity that will bring the world's markets a-running
*however, as noted on the brexit thread: "UK farmers warn of Brexit-triggered labour crisis" = fruit and veg rotting in the fields unpicked https://www.ft.com/content/7ceb876c-b58d-11e6-961e-a1acd97f622d
bcz the usual labourforce have noted (a) their pay packed will have dropped in value by c.20%, and (b) England is no longer a friendly place to come and do cheap useful seasonal labour in
― mark s, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:09 (seven years ago) link
can we pause to investigate whether or not in the very raising of this thread attacking tropes attacking tropes mark s is himself an example of a trope
i am obv in asking this performing a recognise trope attacking service and hiding behind any such accusation is not to be countenanced
― identity politics rooted in tolkienism (darraghmac), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:10 (seven years ago) link
Also, I recall the fact that it was a bacon sandwich being made a very big deal of at the time - bacon butty, sandwich of the people, Ed cannot eat it look at him look at him.
So basically I read it as mostly iv but with a reasonable dose of i and a tiny bit of iii for those who are looking for it.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:11 (seven years ago) link
can we pause to investigate whether or not having smelt it deems himself may have dealt it
― diary of a mod how's life (wins), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:19 (seven years ago) link
iirc Orwell took shots at fruit juice on a number of other occasions also. really had a problem with the stuff
― The Codling Of The London Suede (Legal Warning Across The Atlantic) (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:21 (seven years ago) link
ah weird i never noticed the bacon part - i prob only came across this "story" via people's outrage about it on twitter so i missed whatever the tabloid's "point" was besides the photo.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:25 (seven years ago) link
i had scrambled egg today and did not in any sense munch it
― mark s, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:27 (seven years ago) link
Miliband was otherised by the right wing press and some members of his own party for quite some time - "he looks weird", "he's a North London intellectual", "his father hated Britain", he was compared to the Child Catcher (an actual antisemitic caricature) by some dreadful Katie Hopkins-alike. The bacon sandwich can't be separated from all that.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:27 (seven years ago) link
Yeah the sandwich being bacon-filled was mentioned too often for it not to be just 'face even weirder when eating'.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:30 (seven years ago) link
yeah i don't dispute that - i never read the actual content around the sandwich, as i say, like many things, i probably wouldn't have heard about it if it wasn't for people who were annoyed about it sharing it on twitter.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:41 (seven years ago) link
tbf to the tabloids and the fascists generally, if he had followed my mum's much-repeated rules on eating he would not have come to grief in this instance
a: "that bite was much to big! take smaller mouthfuls!" b: "keep your mouth closed when you're chewing!"
― mark s, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:42 (seven years ago) link
If you have really poor quality bacon it can be difficult to take a clean bite no matter how small a bite you take.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:44 (seven years ago) link
theresa may eats only the finest british bacon, made from churchillian pigs.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:46 (seven years ago) link
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was munching which”
― mark s, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:52 (seven years ago) link
On the food theme, isn't there some alleged account of Peter Mandelson mistaking mushy peas for guacamole at a chippie in his constituency?
"Typical Guardian reader" is often thrown around as a pejorative term by peopel who I'm sure also read it.
― Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:58 (seven years ago) link
I love George Orwell, but I don't think that notorious passage does him much credit. Rereading it now, I am coming to think it is as bad as all the people who say it is bad have always thought.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:59 (seven years ago) link
sometimes guacamole IS MADE WITH PEAS
― mark s, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:04 (seven years ago) link
Mandelson/guac story has also been attributed to Caprice and is presumably apocryphal
― The Codling Of The London Suede (Legal Warning Across The Atlantic) (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:06 (seven years ago) link
GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- A political committee set up by Florida Gov. Rick Scott is criticizing the woman who shouted at him in a coffee shop and blasted his support of an anti-abortion law, saying she's a "latte liberal."
Video of the confrontation has been viewed more than 2 million times on YouTube and shows 39-year-old Cara Jennings calling the governor "an embarrassment to our state." She tells him her health care costs had increased because of his policies.
Scott replied that he has created 1 million jobs, before turning around and leaving the Starbucks before getting his coffee.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:09 (seven years ago) link
xp was just coming to post about The Prince of Darkness and that apocryphal story about Hartlepool guacamole
― Neil S, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:10 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwRx8-Hjlk0
― scott seward, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:11 (seven years ago) link
guacamole for Mandelson performed the same function as Bacon Sandwich-gate did for EMili: a chance to have a good sneer effete, out of touch, chattering class Hampstead liberals for other effete, out of touch Hampstead liberals AKA the gentlemen of the press
― Neil S, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:14 (seven years ago) link
brexiteers and jam
Jam also probably symbolises the battle against liberal PC do-gooders who won't let them have a golliwog on the jar any more, which must be the fault of the EU. Racist jam will make Britain great again.
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:15 (seven years ago) link
"moet medics"^^^this seems a reach
― mark s, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:16 (seven years ago) link
"chardonnay-swilling" ^^^this seems to have undergone the social drift that croissant hasn't -- viz it used to mean the same as "champagne socialist" (and still does in eg australia?) but e.g. on mumsnet now means something a bit more TOWIE or WAG-ish
― mark s, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:20 (seven years ago) link
great thread:https://twitter.com/WeWantPlates🔗people who go to shit restaurants complaining about their choice by criticising the perceived pretentiousness of the crap restaurants they CHOOSE TO GO TO, as if they've dipped their toe into a dimension that disgusts them, rather than being the only ones living in that dimension.
https://twitter.com/WeWantPlates🔗
people who go to shit restaurants complaining about their choice by criticising the perceived pretentiousness of the crap restaurants they CHOOSE TO GO TO, as if they've dipped their toe into a dimension that disgusts them, rather than being the only ones living in that dimension.
But but but this is a disease and it is spreading! You go to a place for years and then one day they bring out your burger on a fucking board! Betrayal.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:23 (seven years ago) link
Mandleson's guacamole faux pas is indeed apocryphal, according to Peter Bazalgette; I hadn't realised that Kinnock was involved in popularising the misconception
So, before I report on a tasting of guacamole, I have to deal with an urban myth: that the politician Peter Mandelson, visiting a northern chippie, asked for “some of that guacamole” when referring to the mushy peas. I have investigated this thoroughly and it turns out the real culprit was a young American intern. This was compounded when former Labour leader Neil Kinnock unkindly attributed the remark to m’lord Mandelson. That sorts that.
https://www.ft.com/content/7dea4d8e-6c6d-11e5-8171-ba1968cf791a
― soref, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:24 (seven years ago) link
It's true about chardonnay. The last time I heard it mentioned was someone saying 'book clubs that get together and drink chardonnay'. What could be so wrong about that? (The implication was that it was a bit 'common' or something)
(Compare ILB club that gets together over Harvey's)
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:27 (seven years ago) link
the culinary synecdoche
― mark s, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
we call em frogs, they call us rosbifs
wikipeida is telling me that the Irish equivalent of champagne socialist/chardonnay socialist/gauche caviar etc is "smoked salmon socialist", can anyone confirm if this is true
― soref, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:33 (seven years ago) link
"lambrini-swilling"
as in "labrini-swilling social hooligans"
― mark s, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:35 (seven years ago) link
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-09-06/new-bbc-comedy-motherland-has-the-realities-of-the-school-run-down-to-a-teeYou may think that middle-class mums (and dads) are everywhere – in life, in popular culture, blimey you may even be one yourself. But us quinoa-munching stalwarts of the school run haven’t had a sitcom of our own yet.
― nashwan, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:36 (seven years ago) link
further to my point abt my mum's opinions upthread, if ppl didn't "munch" or swill" but ate and drank nicely perhaps all this bigotry would vanish?
― mark s, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:37 (seven years ago) link
quaffing is also bad
― mark s, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:38 (seven years ago) link
xxp I remember my father as well referencing underwater basket weaving, snickering under his breath
There was 'rocks for jocks' (geology 101) and 'clapping for credit' (music appreciation)
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 20:44 (two months ago) link
haha! i taught music appreciation for a while and it was extraordinarily fun
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 20:51 (two months ago) link
the light of my life at the time. if i am being honest
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 20:52 (two months ago) link
I bet that class was so fun both to teach and be a student in.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 21:11 (two months ago) link
It really was. It was an honor to be given the opportunity and I’m glad I made the most of it. Haters can take their share elsewhere! It’s a great class if you need a humanities credit and have a teacher who doesn’t sleepwalk through the semester.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 21:30 (two months ago) link
share - * hate
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 21:31 (two months ago) link
big reveal is that underwater basketweaving was being taught for the benefit of Navy SEALS undercover as liberal arts college students who were using the skills learned therein to swim up to enemy ships frogman style and attach timed charges to the hulls with a swiftly woven basket
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 22:02 (two months ago) link
when will we understand that everything is an op, everything has always already been an op
I forget what the actual course was but it was "math for liberal arts majors" - the professor walked us through everything using a TI-82 and then gave us all of the questions that would be on the tests in the exact order. He bragged about having 90% of his students get As, dude was awesome.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 22:05 (two months ago) link
Then I took him for stats which should theoretically have been a real class but it was pretty much the same. I appreciate a professor who knows he's teaching things that only exist to fill in requirements.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 22:06 (two months ago) link
re: Rocks for Jocks, I took an amazing course to fulfill my science requirement: "Volcanism 101." It was a class entirely about volcanos. Never thought I'd have so much fun in a geology class!!
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 22:11 (two months ago) link
Did you get to make a model with a baking soda/vinegar eruption?
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 22:26 (two months ago) link
i took an intro electronic circuits class which had a reputation for being easy. some people called it “shocks for jocks”. reader, i found it one of the most difficult classes i had ever taken.
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 22:26 (two months ago) link
geology is cool af, I took one course on the geology of the US’s national parks which was awesome, and another general geology course taught by someone who owned their own excavation company
― brimstead, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 22:28 (two months ago) link
the actual zero-value classes are obviously in the business school
(my partner is a fibers prof; she can't swim though)
― rob, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 22:47 (two months ago) link
Did you get to make a model with a baking soda/vinegar eruption?― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, January 31, 2024 2:26 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, January 31, 2024 2:26 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
No, but one of the jocks made a scale model of a volcano for a research project and "erupted" it in class.
I, on the other hand, found lots of archival footage of Nyiragongo and showed some wild footage of the lava lake at its center. Nyiragongo is the coolest active volcano, I think.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 23:01 (two months ago) link
Ever look at something and just think to yourself: "how did we ever get to this point in humanity"? pic.twitter.com/xGvlzwmSLn— Bang Average 3rd Cat (@BangAverageCat3) February 21, 2024
― koogs, Thursday, 22 February 2024 14:40 (two months ago) link
(the jrm tweet, obv)
― koogs, Thursday, 22 February 2024 14:42 (two months ago) link
the man never drank a glass of full fat milk in his life
― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:20 (two months ago) link
we know where he gets his from
― nashwan, Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:39 (two months ago) link
What he'd do is, he'd get his nanny to drink it, then (is violently ejected from the internet)
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:39 (two months ago) link
wtf is chad milk and how am I not supposed to assume that it is cum?
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Thursday, 22 February 2024 16:47 (two months ago) link
It is, cum hard and drink.
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 22 February 2024 18:43 (two months ago) link