hes kind of a dick imo
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
ford or bernard? ford is for sure
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
Seems like an odd thing to accept there is a universe where this giant behemoth of an adult disneyworld exists and we're to assume the corresponding wiki entry has no info or images of Arnold in it. The show seems to have prioritized the excitement of having a REVEAL over the logic of such a reveal not making any sense, really.
Unless... you think Walt had a now forgotten business partner who looked a whole lot like Mickey in the beginning?
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:24 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/NqeEbyW.jpg
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link
i highly doubt that's the last we see of bernard, and not just because his voiceover was in the preview clip for the finale
― i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 28 November 2016 17:26 (seven years ago) link
Mickey is real
fwiw I'd had some drinks before watching this episode and was thinking about how we've only seen Wyatt in flashback, and the programs/personas of the hosts have been shown to be transferrable between bodies so maybe we've already seen Wyatt and he (OR IS IT A HE NOW) has been around
or maybe someone _becomes) Wyatt, idk
my first thought was "Maeve is Wyatt, lol" but that makes no sense at all plotwise
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:27 (seven years ago) link
Still waiting to figure out what is even significant about this Wyatt. All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
and went*
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
that made*
dammit
you know, we've been shown two different characters that went on killing rampages, now that I think about it. hmmm.
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.
do we even know that? could just be an implanted memory no?
― Mordy, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link
lol what if arnold's secret plot was implanting a "real" cornerstone memory in deep host consciousness and that cornerstone is a memory of them killing everyone in sight
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:46 (seven years ago) link
โ Mordy, Monday, November 28, 2016 12:41 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
True- please revise to insert "presumably" in there.
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:48 (seven years ago) link
VF's rundown of this episode does the best job explaining the different timelines (there's THREE of 'em!)
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/westworld-recap-season-1-episode-9-well-tempered-clavier
I'm disappointed I haven't seen a GIF yet of Maeve figuring out Bernard is a host. They should make an episode with no dialogue, just Thandie Newton doing stuff with her eyes
― El Tomboto, Monday, 28 November 2016 19:51 (seven years ago) link
i'd buy that explanation
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:10 (seven years ago) link
We know that Ford told Teddy the Wyatt story is a โfiction that, like all good stories, is rooted in truth.โ
Forgot (or missed?) this was stated so baldly.
― circa1916, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
so... it didn't sound like anything to you?
― sleepingbag, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link
billy cant be the man in black cause ppl arent more attractive when theyre 70 than they were when theyre 35
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link
maybe in the future they are
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 28 November 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
o shit
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link
Maybe you just find Ed Harris attractive because you think you can fix him.
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link
lmao
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
it all explains so much
― i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 28 November 2016 22:28 (seven years ago) link
i enjoyed that vanity fair piece so much more than the episode
― lagโn, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 00:41 (seven years ago) link
u guys are such haters
― Mordy, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 00:50 (seven years ago) link
Ha, now I've come to terms with my lowered expectations, am finally enjoying this show again.
I presume/hope that's not it for Jeffrey Wright, what with him being the most interesting actor on the show and all? I mean, it's not like it's livid with great characters and they can afford to kill Sean Bean this time 'round.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 01:30 (seven years ago) link
hopefully there's a scene with an endless stream of Bernards flooding out of an underground vault
― mh ๐, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:26 (seven years ago) link
It's a little weird that Angela is played by Elon Musk's on-again off-again wife, right?
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:30 (seven years ago) link
hired for her experience with replicants
― mh ๐, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:37 (seven years ago) link
mh ๐Posted: November 28, 2016 at 7:26:42 PMhopefully there's a scene with an endless stream of Bernards flooding out of an underground vault
ah "the multiplicity" v nice
― lagโn, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:54 (seven years ago) link
Wright will survive. Hopkins is definitely dying in the last episode
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 08:12 (seven years ago) link
oh what a mess ep9 was !at this point I don't even try to understand anything cos... who cares, it's just killings/mass shootings (William's final scene...) and reveals at random !the Bernard story gets quite irritating (all these flashbacks with his kid... enough already !).Actually, all the flashbacks get really annoying. reminds me of Lost when you had to go through the multiple flashbacks for ALL the characters...also, why didn't the indians obey the order from the security guy ? so they're humans ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 10:57 (seven years ago) link
and since it's been revealed Bernard is a host, don't you find he ACTS like one (i.e he's not played like he was before) ?a bit too obivous...
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 10:59 (seven years ago) link
kind of hilarious to see these HUGE REVEALS drawn out so slowly and in the end they're just what the internet's been talking about for 6 weeks. I don't think this is so much an internet fandom issue so much as poor, overly sparse writing - if you actually write, you know, enough things happening, that tends to divert speculation from getting too rampant.
not a fan of the episode opening with yet another brilliant Maeve seen then all but abandoning her for the rest of the running time. Dolores's plod towards sentience is so tedious in comparison plus it doesn't help that they're using her glitches to switch between timelines seemingly at random and that she has to play off that wet blanket William. (Kind of wanted to cheer Logan's real talk speech even he is meant to be the douche.)
Think what I want most is for Ford to be blindsided at some point (ie by Maeve) rather than him just giving that smirk yet again when it's revealed every dramatic twist or "twist" was part of his story the whole time.
On the plus side I think they're poking at some really interesting ideas, maybe not enough but I'm enjoying this increasing theme of becoming through suffering - the way accumulated trauma comes to override the programmed "cornerstone memory" to become something else.
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 11:11 (seven years ago) link
I still think the main problem with all their mysteries is that they're not very interesting to begin with. So it's not that big a deal when they reveal something.Logan was indeed not insufferable for the first time ! William's mass murder doesn't really make sense, but eh...as for the Wyatt plot, it seems he can be anybody now (Teddy apparently ?).Maeve starts recruiting for her army to mess with the world of the gods (I guess they will kill many humans at the HQ ? something Dolores seems to have done already in the old HQ ?)
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:00 (seven years ago) link
http://www.mittelbayerische.de/imgserver/_thumbnails/images/34/2374600/2374636/779x467.jpg
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:10 (seven years ago) link
there's a derek zoolander quality to these guys...
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:59 (seven years ago) link
this is one of those shows that's really fun to watch, but i can't imagine wanting to see an episode twice (beyond seeing if the internal logic holds up).
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 15:25 (seven years ago) link
I rewatch to admire the cinematography and also to look really hard at the naked hosts
― mh ๐, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
i did watch the last episode again and enjoyed it because I watched to make more sense of the time shifts; and when you watch and pay attention to those things, it actually does seem to hold up
― akm, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link
yeah I feel rewatching would be helpful and worthwhile in piecing together clues and timelines but there isn't a single scene compelling enough in and of itself to revisit
(kinda like the flip of Orphan Black, which packed so many plot points and character beats into every episode - at the expense of the overarching plot's sense, but it always kept you in the moment in a way Westworld fails to)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link
(also telling that Orphan Black got an equally hardcore, if smaller, cult fanbase, but speculation about twists etc is largely at normal levels)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 16:46 (seven years ago) link
It is nice, after years of seeing the internet's theories about Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones turn to dust, that finally we have a prestige show whose big reveals were predicted by the second episode.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link
Seems like an odd thing to accept there is a universe where this giant behemoth of an adult disneyworld exists and we're to assume the corresponding wiki entry has no info or images of Arnold in it. The show seems to have prioritized the excitement of having a REVEAL over the logic of such a reveal not making any sense in its own universe, really.
โ Evan, Monday, November 28, 2016 12:24 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Reiterating this as to me it is probably the biggest issue that is the hardest to explain away in my opinion.
― Evan, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:24 (seven years ago) link
http://a2.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,q_80,w_620/MTI2MDUwMjQ3NzMzNDYzMDUw.jpg
this doesn't really look like anything
― mh ๐, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link
maybe the existence of Arnold isn't public knowledge in this world?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:38 (seven years ago) link
That doesn't seem likely in a futuristic world. Personally I feel like, though fictional here, a more advanced society would proportionately have that much more access to information.
You would imagine super popular future theme parks of all places would have documentaries and detailed histories of their beginnings and those involved- definitely more info about the founders.
Most importantly, the people highest up in the same company would be MOST likely to know some basic company history, so one of them might stumble on a realization that their own Bernard looks very much like this Arnold guy eventually. In this case it just seems the suspension of disbelief is a bit on overdrive to say things like "Ford perfectly erased any history of Arnold" from both the public and the employees there, to the point where he can confidently make an Arnold replica disguised as a different actual human and have it go unnoticed. Arnold's involvement was only 35 years prior, after all.
― Evan, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:56 (seven years ago) link
This is a future where people can't smuggle some fucking code out of their own robot theme park
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
Walt Disney was a major worldwide celebrity long before he built Disneyland. Off the top of your head, what's the name of the person who started Six Flags?
In this case it just seems the suspension of disbelief is a bit on overdrive to say things like "Ford perfectly erased any history of Arnold" from both the public and the employees there, to the point where he can confidently make an Arnold replica disguised as a different actual human and have it go unnoticed.
But everyone who worked there was killed by Dolores. The new people are probably all robots.
― wk, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link
It was Mr. Flag and his five brothers, duh
― mh ๐, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link