WestWorld: ...Where nothing can possibly go worng!

im realizing i slept through a lot of the show but i dont want to rewatch it can someone explain what happened with bernard, im gather that it was revealed that hes an arnold clone and then anthony hopkins turned him off?

no? I mean, the hosts in the park are like low tier androids compared to Bernard, who lives with the real people (to the point managers didn't know he was an android). Maeve's model even having the ability to get Bernard-level privileges is pretty wild, let alone being able to override him

― mh 😏, Monday, November 28, 2016 12:10 PM (forty-seven seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd agree with you but since it happened I imagine its assumed she must have figured it out. Either that or Bernard never once accidentally got frozen by a co-worker jokingly asking him to freeze all motor functions during a team building lunch. Dodged that bullet.

bernard is a special boy

bob ford hopkins was sad that arnold got killed (by dolores, apparently, who was meeting with him in a secret room under the church in buriedtown) and, years later, created bernard as an arnold simulacrum to talk to and make androids with

but people were starting to catch on to ford's plans so he had bernard kill a couple ppl, after which bernard gets wiped back to not knowing he's not a real boy. maeve is now superuser and clues bernard back in

bernard confronts ford and makes him restore *all* of his memories back to the beginning and that's how he finds out he's meant to be fake arnold

oh yeah and it doesn't matter because ford still has secret override codes under the other override codes and tells bernard to off himself

very rude imo

unbelievable

you'd think he wouldn't kill his most interesting and entertaining android, but there you go

hes kind of a dick imo

ford or bernard? ford is for sure

Seems like an odd thing to accept there is a universe where this giant behemoth of an adult disneyworld exists and we're to assume the corresponding wiki entry has no info or images of Arnold in it. The show seems to have prioritized the excitement of having a REVEAL over the logic of such a reveal not making any sense, really.

Unless... you think Walt had a now forgotten business partner who looked a whole lot like Mickey in the beginning?

http://i.imgur.com/NqeEbyW.jpg

i highly doubt that's the last we see of bernard, and not just because his voiceover was in the preview clip for the finale

Mickey is real

fwiw I'd had some drinks before watching this episode and was thinking about how we've only seen Wyatt in flashback, and the programs/personas of the hosts have been shown to be transferrable between bodies so maybe we've already seen Wyatt and he (OR IS IT A HE NOW) has been around

or maybe someone _becomes) Wyatt, idk

my first thought was "Maeve is Wyatt, lol" but that makes no sense at all plotwise

Still waiting to figure out what is even significant about this Wyatt. All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.

and went*

that made*

dammit

you know, we've been shown two different characters that went on killing rampages, now that I think about it. hmmm.

All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.

do we even know that? could just be an implanted memory no?

lol what if arnold's secret plot was implanting a "real" cornerstone memory in deep host consciousness and that cornerstone is a memory of them killing everyone in sight

All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.

do we even know that? could just be an implanted memory no?

― Mordy, Monday, November 28, 2016 12:41 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

True- please revise to insert "presumably" in there.

VF's rundown of this episode does the best job explaining the different timelines (there's THREE of 'em!)

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/westworld-recap-season-1-episode-9-well-tempered-clavier

I'm disappointed I haven't seen a GIF yet of Maeve figuring out Bernard is a host. They should make an episode with no dialogue, just Thandie Newton doing stuff with her eyes

i'd buy that explanation

We know that Ford told Teddy the Wyatt story is a “fiction that, like all good stories, is rooted in truth.”

Forgot (or missed?) this was stated so baldly.

so... it didn't sound like anything to you?

billy cant be the man in black cause ppl arent more attractive when theyre 70 than they were when theyre 35

maybe in the future they are

o shit

Maybe you just find Ed Harris attractive because you think you can fix him.

lmao

it all explains so much

i enjoyed that vanity fair piece so much more than the episode

u guys are such haters

Ha, now I've come to terms with my lowered expectations, am finally enjoying this show again.

I presume/hope that's not it for Jeffrey Wright, what with him being the most interesting actor on the show and all? I mean, it's not like it's livid with great characters and they can afford to kill Sean Bean this time 'round.

hopefully there's a scene with an endless stream of Bernards flooding out of an underground vault

It's a little weird that Angela is played by Elon Musk's on-again off-again wife, right?

hired for her experience with replicants

mh 😏
Posted: November 28, 2016 at 7:26:42 PM
hopefully there's a scene with an endless stream of Bernards flooding out of an underground vault

ah "the multiplicity" v nice

Wright will survive. Hopkins is definitely dying in the last episode

oh what a mess ep9 was !
at this point I don't even try to understand anything cos... who cares, it's just killings/mass shootings (William's final scene...) and reveals at random !
the Bernard story gets quite irritating (all these flashbacks with his kid... enough already !).
Actually, all the flashbacks get really annoying. reminds me of Lost when you had to go through the multiple flashbacks for ALL the characters...
also, why didn't the indians obey the order from the security guy ? so they're humans ?

and since it's been revealed Bernard is a host, don't you find he ACTS like one (i.e he's not played like he was before) ?
a bit too obivous...

kind of hilarious to see these HUGE REVEALS drawn out so slowly and in the end they're just what the internet's been talking about for 6 weeks. I don't think this is so much an internet fandom issue so much as poor, overly sparse writing - if you actually write, you know, enough things happening, that tends to divert speculation from getting too rampant.

not a fan of the episode opening with yet another brilliant Maeve seen then all but abandoning her for the rest of the running time. Dolores's plod towards sentience is so tedious in comparison plus it doesn't help that they're using her glitches to switch between timelines seemingly at random and that she has to play off that wet blanket William. (Kind of wanted to cheer Logan's real talk speech even he is meant to be the douche.)

Think what I want most is for Ford to be blindsided at some point (ie by Maeve) rather than him just giving that smirk yet again when it's revealed every dramatic twist or "twist" was part of his story the whole time.

On the plus side I think they're poking at some really interesting ideas, maybe not enough but I'm enjoying this increasing theme of becoming through suffering - the way accumulated trauma comes to override the programmed "cornerstone memory" to become something else.

I still think the main problem with all their mysteries is that they're not very interesting to begin with. So it's not that big a deal when they reveal something.
Logan was indeed not insufferable for the first time ! William's mass murder doesn't really make sense, but eh...
as for the Wyatt plot, it seems he can be anybody now (Teddy apparently ?).
Maeve starts recruiting for her army to mess with the world of the gods (I guess they will kill many humans at the HQ ? something Dolores seems to have done already in the old HQ ?)

http://www.mittelbayerische.de/imgserver/_thumbnails/images/34/2374600/2374636/779x467.jpg

there's a derek zoolander quality to these guys...

this is one of those shows that's really fun to watch, but i can't imagine wanting to see an episode twice (beyond seeing if the internal logic holds up).

I rewatch to admire the cinematography and also to look really hard at the naked hosts

i did watch the last episode again and enjoyed it because I watched to make more sense of the time shifts; and when you watch and pay attention to those things, it actually does seem to hold up

yeah I feel rewatching would be helpful and worthwhile in piecing together clues and timelines but there isn't a single scene compelling enough in and of itself to revisit

(kinda like the flip of Orphan Black, which packed so many plot points and character beats into every episode - at the expense of the overarching plot's sense, but it always kept you in the moment in a way Westworld fails to)

(also telling that Orphan Black got an equally hardcore, if smaller, cult fanbase, but speculation about twists etc is largely at normal levels)

It is nice, after years of seeing the internet's theories about Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones turn to dust, that finally we have a prestige show whose big reveals were predicted by the second episode.

Seems like an odd thing to accept there is a universe where this giant behemoth of an adult disneyworld exists and we're to assume the corresponding wiki entry has no info or images of Arnold in it. The show seems to have prioritized the excitement of having a REVEAL over the logic of such a reveal not making any sense in its own universe, really.

Unless... you think Walt had a now forgotten business partner who looked a whole lot like Mickey in the beginning?

― Evan, Monday, November 28, 2016 12:24 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Reiterating this as to me it is probably the biggest issue that is the hardest to explain away in my opinion.