ford suggested it and it's been kind of a red herring so far in that we're like "uhh maybe they finished digging it up" but it's been all flashbacks
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:28 (seven years ago) link
yeah, Ford has had the town dug up in the current time.
will have to watch that church segment again, the costume changes/memory/time fuckery was pretty thick there.
― circa1916, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link
Are you assuming the same version of her that escaped after being stabbed is the one that found the church?
i need someone to break it down for me by outfit but it seems like she's wearing the same clothing (slick shooter Dolores) when she escapes as she is when she finds the church, and that she's wearing the homestead Dolores outfit in the flashbacks. i guess it could be she escaped wearing slick shooter edition clothing and also re-found the church much later once again wearing that outfit.
― Mordy, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:32 (seven years ago) link
the clothes r nice on this show btw
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:33 (seven years ago) link
yeah for sure. i don't even care that the show doesn't make any sense i still enjoy watching it. it turns out that w/ enough sex + violence i don't care if there's much of a plot.
― Mordy, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link
ed harris's dude being on the board of delos, surprising or no
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:37 (seven years ago) link
love how the corporate lady showed up and neither of them commented on the fact that ed harris was just almost murdered by the robots
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:40 (seven years ago) link
I feel bad for him, he's wanted to get robot murdered for quite a while and it's still not quite happening
hopefully he gets the full-on, bang-up, robot murder/mutilation he wants
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:41 (seven years ago) link
yeah that wldve been a lil bit of a let down of a robot murder imo
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:42 (seven years ago) link
What's not making too much sense to me right now, is that there was a scene where Ford was overlooking the buried town which looked identical to the way it looked when Dolores and "young" William found it. But Ford also showed up to chat with Ed Harris in the bar. And now Ed harris shows up in the unburied town. Therefore something about this triangle of people/places doesn't make sense to me, unless we're to believe Ford dug up the town or rebuilt it perfectly at some point between the first time he looks on at it (remember this is the first time he interacts with the young boy host) and the time in which Ed Harris walks into the church.
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:51 (seven years ago) link
hoping this ends like lost with everyone extremely mad at the tv show people for not making any sense
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:53 (seven years ago) link
โ Mordy, Monday, November 28, 2016 11:32 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Particular outfit aside, what's really telling though is that her stab wound disappears. This suggests that she is tracking down the town/church on a different trip (or "life" to put it video-gamey) than the one she was supposedly just on with Mcpoyle. Despite the clothing. I mean, the clothing could just represent an adventure storyline version of her that can be triggered in a number of ways. The blue dress represents the stay in town / home massacre storyline for her.
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:56 (seven years ago) link
there were a couple of really surprisingly unlikely things that opened the episode. it makes absolutely no sense at all that Maeve, even after the self-hacking, would be able to command Bernard, but it made for fun television
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:00 (seven years ago) link
it was hard to catch but right before she started commanding him she whispered "sudo"
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:02 (seven years ago) link
Wouldn't you have asked that about how she could control the hosts inside the park, too? Same deal as Bernard no? I just assumed that after she made herself super-smart she went ahead and gave herself some Apple genius admin privileges.
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:07 (seven years ago) link
they really buried the lede on this cornerstone memory shit
so each character has some sort of loss that defines them, and somehow that can be rewritten through traumatic experiences
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:07 (seven years ago) link
no? I mean, the hosts in the park are like low tier androids compared to Bernard, who lives with the real people (to the point managers didn't know he was an android). Maeve's model even having the ability to get Bernard-level privileges is pretty wild, let alone being able to override him
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:10 (seven years ago) link
im realizing i slept through a lot of the show but i dont want to rewatch it can someone explain what happened with bernard, im gather that it was revealed that hes an arnold clone and then anthony hopkins turned him off?
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link
โ mh ๐, Monday, November 28, 2016 12:10 PM (forty-seven seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'd agree with you but since it happened I imagine its assumed she must have figured it out. Either that or Bernard never once accidentally got frozen by a co-worker jokingly asking him to freeze all motor functions during a team building lunch. Dodged that bullet.
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:15 (seven years ago) link
bernard is a special boy
bob ford hopkins was sad that arnold got killed (by dolores, apparently, who was meeting with him in a secret room under the church in buriedtown) and, years later, created bernard as an arnold simulacrum to talk to and make androids with
but people were starting to catch on to ford's plans so he had bernard kill a couple ppl, after which bernard gets wiped back to not knowing he's not a real boy. maeve is now superuser and clues bernard back in
bernard confronts ford and makes him restore *all* of his memories back to the beginning and that's how he finds out he's meant to be fake arnold
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link
oh yeah and it doesn't matter because ford still has secret override codes under the other override codes and tells bernard to off himself
very rude imo
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
unbelievable
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link
you'd think he wouldn't kill his most interesting and entertaining android, but there you go
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:20 (seven years ago) link
hes kind of a dick imo
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
ford or bernard? ford is for sure
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
Seems like an odd thing to accept there is a universe where this giant behemoth of an adult disneyworld exists and we're to assume the corresponding wiki entry has no info or images of Arnold in it. The show seems to have prioritized the excitement of having a REVEAL over the logic of such a reveal not making any sense, really.
Unless... you think Walt had a now forgotten business partner who looked a whole lot like Mickey in the beginning?
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:24 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/NqeEbyW.jpg
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link
i highly doubt that's the last we see of bernard, and not just because his voiceover was in the preview clip for the finale
― i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 28 November 2016 17:26 (seven years ago) link
Mickey is real
fwiw I'd had some drinks before watching this episode and was thinking about how we've only seen Wyatt in flashback, and the programs/personas of the hosts have been shown to be transferrable between bodies so maybe we've already seen Wyatt and he (OR IS IT A HE NOW) has been around
or maybe someone _becomes) Wyatt, idk
my first thought was "Maeve is Wyatt, lol" but that makes no sense at all plotwise
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:27 (seven years ago) link
Still waiting to figure out what is even significant about this Wyatt. All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
and went*
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
that made*
dammit
you know, we've been shown two different characters that went on killing rampages, now that I think about it. hmmm.
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.
do we even know that? could just be an implanted memory no?
― Mordy, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link
lol what if arnold's secret plot was implanting a "real" cornerstone memory in deep host consciousness and that cornerstone is a memory of them killing everyone in sight
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:46 (seven years ago) link
โ Mordy, Monday, November 28, 2016 12:41 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
True- please revise to insert "presumably" in there.
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:48 (seven years ago) link
VF's rundown of this episode does the best job explaining the different timelines (there's THREE of 'em!)
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/westworld-recap-season-1-episode-9-well-tempered-clavier
I'm disappointed I haven't seen a GIF yet of Maeve figuring out Bernard is a host. They should make an episode with no dialogue, just Thandie Newton doing stuff with her eyes
― El Tomboto, Monday, 28 November 2016 19:51 (seven years ago) link
i'd buy that explanation
― mh ๐, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:10 (seven years ago) link
We know that Ford told Teddy the Wyatt story is a โfiction that, like all good stories, is rooted in truth.โ
Forgot (or missed?) this was stated so baldly.
― circa1916, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
so... it didn't sound like anything to you?
― sleepingbag, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link
billy cant be the man in black cause ppl arent more attractive when theyre 70 than they were when theyre 35
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link
maybe in the future they are
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 28 November 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
o shit
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link
Maybe you just find Ed Harris attractive because you think you can fix him.
― Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link
lmao
― lagโn, Monday, 28 November 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
it all explains so much
― i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 28 November 2016 22:28 (seven years ago) link
i enjoyed that vanity fair piece so much more than the episode
― lagโn, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 00:41 (seven years ago) link
u guys are such haters
― Mordy, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 00:50 (seven years ago) link
Ha, now I've come to terms with my lowered expectations, am finally enjoying this show again.
I presume/hope that's not it for Jeffrey Wright, what with him being the most interesting actor on the show and all? I mean, it's not like it's livid with great characters and they can afford to kill Sean Bean this time 'round.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 01:30 (seven years ago) link
hopefully there's a scene with an endless stream of Bernards flooding out of an underground vault
― mh ๐, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:26 (seven years ago) link