WestWorld: ...Where nothing can possibly go worng!

wtf I hadn't picked up on that at all. I also fell asleep again in the middle of this episode though.

I guess that was confirmed by her having mechanical innards? I dunno. At this point I'm actually hoping William isn't the MIB because that seems to leave very little action in the finale that isn't already predicted.

Still no corpse for Elsie though, and Hemsworth might actually have something to do in the finale.

the completely egregious and absurd fucking-in-a-burning-tent scene made this worth the price of admission

mechanical innards is the main thing, yeah, but also that photo of William's fiance, which is discovered weathered and buried in the dirt in the "current" timeframe early on in the season.

kudos to William for going completely batshit crazy

Yeah he thought he was playing Stardew Valley, then realized he's just another murderhobo

how could william be the man in black? Dolores wearing the william-era outfit goes back to the church, remembers her history and shit (the outfit shifts show when she's remembering vs what's happening now - now = the william narrative), and then she comes but up the confession booth into the church and the man in black walks in. unless william turned into ed harris in like 20 minutes how could ed harris = mcpoyle?

wtf I hadn't picked up on that at all. I also fell asleep again in the middle of this episode though.

― akm, Monday, November 28, 2016 9:11 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im with u brother

i'm with mordy on that timeline theory still seeming janky, but dolores is kind of the textbook definition of an unreliable narrator by now

we're all agree that in the "present" of the show the old town is still buried, right, and any time we see it as anything other than a burned up church steeple poking out, it's a flashback

maybe? i thought maybe ford suggested they were going to dig it back up?

how could william be the man in black? Dolores wearing the william-era outfit goes back to the church, remembers her history and shit (the outfit shifts show when she's remembering vs what's happening now - now = the william narrative), and then she comes but up the confession booth into the church and the man in black walks in. unless william turned into ed harris in like 20 minutes how could ed harris = mcpoyle?

― Mordy, Monday, November 28, 2016 11:11 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Are you assuming the same version of her that escaped after being stabbed is the one that found the church?

ford suggested it and it's been kind of a red herring so far in that we're like "uhh maybe they finished digging it up" but it's been all flashbacks

yeah, Ford has had the town dug up in the current time.

will have to watch that church segment again, the costume changes/memory/time fuckery was pretty thick there.

Are you assuming the same version of her that escaped after being stabbed is the one that found the church?

i need someone to break it down for me by outfit but it seems like she's wearing the same clothing (slick shooter Dolores) when she escapes as she is when she finds the church, and that she's wearing the homestead Dolores outfit in the flashbacks. i guess it could be she escaped wearing slick shooter edition clothing and also re-found the church much later once again wearing that outfit.

the clothes r nice on this show btw

yeah for sure. i don't even care that the show doesn't make any sense i still enjoy watching it. it turns out that w/ enough sex + violence i don't care if there's much of a plot.

ed harris's dude being on the board of delos, surprising or no

love how the corporate lady showed up and neither of them commented on the fact that ed harris was just almost murdered by the robots

I feel bad for him, he's wanted to get robot murdered for quite a while and it's still not quite happening

hopefully he gets the full-on, bang-up, robot murder/mutilation he wants

yeah that wldve been a lil bit of a let down of a robot murder imo

What's not making too much sense to me right now, is that there was a scene where Ford was overlooking the buried town which looked identical to the way it looked when Dolores and "young" William found it. But Ford also showed up to chat with Ed Harris in the bar. And now Ed harris shows up in the unburied town. Therefore something about this triangle of people/places doesn't make sense to me, unless we're to believe Ford dug up the town or rebuilt it perfectly at some point between the first time he looks on at it (remember this is the first time he interacts with the young boy host) and the time in which Ed Harris walks into the church.

hoping this ends like lost with everyone extremely mad at the tv show people for not making any sense

Are you assuming the same version of her that escaped after being stabbed is the one that found the church?

i need someone to break it down for me by outfit but it seems like she's wearing the same clothing (slick shooter Dolores) when she escapes as she is when she finds the church, and that she's wearing the homestead Dolores outfit in the flashbacks. i guess it could be she escaped wearing slick shooter edition clothing and also re-found the church much later once again wearing that outfit.

― Mordy, Monday, November 28, 2016 11:32 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Particular outfit aside, what's really telling though is that her stab wound disappears. This suggests that she is tracking down the town/church on a different trip (or "life" to put it video-gamey) than the one she was supposedly just on with Mcpoyle. Despite the clothing. I mean, the clothing could just represent an adventure storyline version of her that can be triggered in a number of ways. The blue dress represents the stay in town / home massacre storyline for her.

there were a couple of really surprisingly unlikely things that opened the episode. it makes absolutely no sense at all that Maeve, even after the self-hacking, would be able to command Bernard, but it made for fun television

it was hard to catch but right before she started commanding him she whispered "sudo"

Wouldn't you have asked that about how she could control the hosts inside the park, too? Same deal as Bernard no? I just assumed that after she made herself super-smart she went ahead and gave herself some Apple genius admin privileges.

they really buried the lede on this cornerstone memory shit

so each character has some sort of loss that defines them, and somehow that can be rewritten through traumatic experiences

no? I mean, the hosts in the park are like low tier androids compared to Bernard, who lives with the real people (to the point managers didn't know he was an android). Maeve's model even having the ability to get Bernard-level privileges is pretty wild, let alone being able to override him

im realizing i slept through a lot of the show but i dont want to rewatch it can someone explain what happened with bernard, im gather that it was revealed that hes an arnold clone and then anthony hopkins turned him off?

no? I mean, the hosts in the park are like low tier androids compared to Bernard, who lives with the real people (to the point managers didn't know he was an android). Maeve's model even having the ability to get Bernard-level privileges is pretty wild, let alone being able to override him

― mh 😏, Monday, November 28, 2016 12:10 PM (forty-seven seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd agree with you but since it happened I imagine its assumed she must have figured it out. Either that or Bernard never once accidentally got frozen by a co-worker jokingly asking him to freeze all motor functions during a team building lunch. Dodged that bullet.

bernard is a special boy

bob ford hopkins was sad that arnold got killed (by dolores, apparently, who was meeting with him in a secret room under the church in buriedtown) and, years later, created bernard as an arnold simulacrum to talk to and make androids with

but people were starting to catch on to ford's plans so he had bernard kill a couple ppl, after which bernard gets wiped back to not knowing he's not a real boy. maeve is now superuser and clues bernard back in

bernard confronts ford and makes him restore *all* of his memories back to the beginning and that's how he finds out he's meant to be fake arnold

oh yeah and it doesn't matter because ford still has secret override codes under the other override codes and tells bernard to off himself

very rude imo

unbelievable

you'd think he wouldn't kill his most interesting and entertaining android, but there you go

hes kind of a dick imo

ford or bernard? ford is for sure

Seems like an odd thing to accept there is a universe where this giant behemoth of an adult disneyworld exists and we're to assume the corresponding wiki entry has no info or images of Arnold in it. The show seems to have prioritized the excitement of having a REVEAL over the logic of such a reveal not making any sense, really.

Unless... you think Walt had a now forgotten business partner who looked a whole lot like Mickey in the beginning?

http://i.imgur.com/NqeEbyW.jpg

i highly doubt that's the last we see of bernard, and not just because his voiceover was in the preview clip for the finale

Mickey is real

fwiw I'd had some drinks before watching this episode and was thinking about how we've only seen Wyatt in flashback, and the programs/personas of the hosts have been shown to be transferrable between bodies so maybe we've already seen Wyatt and he (OR IS IT A HE NOW) has been around

or maybe someone _becomes) Wyatt, idk

my first thought was "Maeve is Wyatt, lol" but that makes no sense at all plotwise

Still waiting to figure out what is even significant about this Wyatt. All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.

and went*

that made*

dammit

you know, we've been shown two different characters that went on killing rampages, now that I think about it. hmmm.

All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.

do we even know that? could just be an implanted memory no?

lol what if arnold's secret plot was implanting a "real" cornerstone memory in deep host consciousness and that cornerstone is a memory of them killing everyone in sight

All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.

do we even know that? could just be an implanted memory no?

― Mordy, Monday, November 28, 2016 12:41 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

True- please revise to insert "presumably" in there.

VF's rundown of this episode does the best job explaining the different timelines (there's THREE of 'em!)

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/westworld-recap-season-1-episode-9-well-tempered-clavier

I'm disappointed I haven't seen a GIF yet of Maeve figuring out Bernard is a host. They should make an episode with no dialogue, just Thandie Newton doing stuff with her eyes

i'd buy that explanation

We know that Ford told Teddy the Wyatt story is a “fiction that, like all good stories, is rooted in truth.”

Forgot (or missed?) this was stated so baldly.