Are you considering purchasing a gun?

is there anyone on ilx who lives in "the third world"?

― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:17 PM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think darragh is the closest

― iatee, Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:18 PM (forty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

gree hee hee

Are you really comfortable to use "third world" (or even "developed world") in such a throwaway way in 2016? I'm not.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

that's for self-reported gun ownership i believe

whatver, it just seemed like a weird thing to say. "gotta make sure to raz the USA here"

Not at all, just stating a fact.

― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Tuesday, November 22, 2016 12:47 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol god i am dense.. sorry Tom, and LBI, the context is quite obvious now

[/not sarcastic, sincere]

I'm considering purchasing one of these:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Love_gun_cover.jpg

Slightly more seriously, as I wrote here - Reveal Your Uncool Conservative Beliefs Here

- I can kind of understand people who don't strictly speaking *need* a gun, but who like having them nonetheless. One might just think they're interesting objects.

Definitely not something I'll ever be interested in - and not just because I share the concerns of other ilx0rz with small kids. Guns just fundamentally don't "go" with my lifestyle and culture and neighborhood and worldview.

But I don't automatically assume gun owners/enthusiasts are right-wingnuts, tea partiers, survivalists, or bloodthirsty maniacs.

Thread has this stuck in my head

Hey kids!
You want a soundtrack that's gonna make you feel tense?
Let you express your frustration?
Make ya scared, wanna, wanna run out and buy a gun?

may as well raise my unrealistic idea again:

wish we could just ban personal gun ownership and then allow people to rent them at shooting ranges, secure property with deer and other animals, etc. that would help to eliminate the recreational argument that people make to justify owning guns even though it results in so many people dying unnecessarily each year.

alternative is to allow gun ownership but heavily restrict ammunition ownership (i.e. only available at gun ranges or something)

or, limited amount each year for hunting, something like that

gun b&b

ILX 2020: Are you considering downprinting a gun?

Y'all know that many people make their own ammunition - melting metals, using molds, adding powder - right?

A kit to make your own bullets costs like $250 or something.

can't beat the taste of homemade bullets hot from the barrel just like grandma made

the shop-bought ones just don't kill the same

gun nuts are probably all going to die from lead poisoning anyway

i could consider owning a gun (of whatever type) because, well, history can turn in some ugly directions and i could imagine it being a useful skill to have. right-wing boogeymen of rampaging crime or tyrannical gov't don't mean anything to me, but if you add up political and economic sclerosis, a fractured angry society and climate change, the chances of a general breakdown in stability sometime in my lifetime are... not zero.

not that being able to shoot means you'd survive any of that. we all probably watch too many movies.

however i think it's possible (shows what i know?) to own a gun but store it offsite, at a range? i don't want one in the house.

This will sound simplistic and dumb but I want to live in a world where I don't feel like I need a gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX9rN7li8Sg

Do you mean world or country?

Yeah, I should of wrote country.

I grew up with a gun-nut grandfather, and am kind of happy he passed before the fox news era as it would probably have seriously tainted my thoughts about him. He kept a tiny, allegedly illegal .25 in his office desk, a loaded police-style (shorter barrel, higher capacity, absolutely not for hunting) shotgun in the closet at my house when he lived with me, taught me to make homemade silencers, and once told my uncle to act cool when they got pulled over because he had a handgun under the seat and sure as hell wasn't going to tell the cop about it.

My wife's family is full of avid hunters, the kind of people that don't really oppose sensible gun control, use guns as tools to pursue a hobby, and get mad when people assume they're like fetishists like my grandfather.

So I was super familiar with them grew up with a healthy respect, but don't hunt and have never had a need for one. I thought about buying one after the election, just out out of sheer gut-reaction fear and terror but doubht I will. I want my son to learn to shoot to demystify guns and understand the seriousness one needs in handling them, but I'm more worried about him finding it in the house when he gets older. And if all the actual nazis a couple hours east of here ever come to purge the intellectuals from the university where I work, they're going to be way more heavily armed than I would be.

I do think it would kind of funny to write a clickbaity "Liberals should stockpile guns" thinkpiece to get people riled up. And I am getting my kid a passport - Canada's only a couple hours north.

guns aren't really mysterious nor does one need to learn how to shoot them in order to take them seriously

(sorry)

i've definitely thought about buying a gun before because i think about all kinds of things

I grew up around hunters and was forced to hunt as a kid. Almost all of my coworkers hunt and a few stockpile guns. I'm not afraid of guns. I know an equal amount of people who hate guns and love them and it squarely follows party lines/who they voted for, at least in my experience. I do feel like it might be good to buy one in the future and I don't like that feeling.

guns aren't really mysterious nor does one need to learn how to shoot them in order to take them seriously

I don't know, every time guns come up her or in real life conversations at least some number of people who have never handled or fired one seem to see guns as scary/foreign/confusing/evil, like they're dark magic of some sort. And people who teach target shooting or hunter's safety, are, in my experience, incredibly concerned with safety and hammer safe gun-handling practices into students constantly.

every time guns come up her or in real life conversations at least some number of people who have never handled or fired one seem to see guns as scary/foreign/confusing/evil

Maybe because guns are scary?

they are for killing living things after all

Indeed, I mean, I'm not too fond of landmines either.

people are scared of what they do not know

also more and more people live in urban areas where they're scared of how a sausage is made

buddy charcuterie is huge around my way

This will sound simplistic and dumb but I want to live in a world where I don't feel like I need a gun.

― JacobSanders, Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:59 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have gotten along well without needing one for 38 years. I still do not really feel like I need one, but there is now a looming cloud of doubt.

Consume less media

Lol goole

If civil society breaks down and wild hoardes are after me I think I'd be cool with just dying

^^

Luckily none of that is happening folks

I have a family to worry about, just dying isn't an option. I'm not saying I think anything is on the horizon. But.

Wouldn't want family to be around for post apocalyptic hellscape either

Just gonna bump cormac McCarthy thread altogether ffs

The other day I was talking to my wife about who would not take orders if things got bad and my first instinct/thought was our military would never take orders against the people. Then I saw my step brothers postings on Facebook. Both are military lifers, one a navy seal medic and the other is robotics/army. Both are sympathetic to white nationalist ideas. It was a scary moment for me.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Kent_State_massacre.jpg

People owning handguns is the second-most scary thing about the USA.

Go on

never owning a gun because the statistics say it's much more likely to be used on someone i care about/accidentally than against some fantastical bad guy, and anyone who owns one has to reconcile that. there is no moral case for owning a gun.

however i think it's possible (shows what i know?) to own a gun but store it offsite, at a range? i don't want one in the house.

I don't keep ammo at my house (not for any particular objection - I don't need it and) but I have a small safe bolted to the floor in a closet. It's about as secure as it could be if anyone broke in.

essentially my threshold for owning a gun is when i'm living in an active war zone

what on earth would I do with it? even in a nightmare scenario it wouldn't make me safer

or like if all civil society broke down and i had to defend my homestead against raiders

Is it interesting to ponder how ilx would view the type of discourse it has engaged in since trump's victory had it appeared on an equivalent right wing message board in an alternate universe where Clinton won

I'm stocking up on guns and bunkering up lads