WestWorld: ...Where nothing can possibly go worng!

of all of the minuses you might perceive in this show some things are pretty straightforward

Bernard: "have you made me do a violence before?!?"
*cuts to scene of him violently attacking a prior victim
Ford: "of course not!"

big central mysteries are a stupid thing to build a show around tbh

― Οὖτις, Monday, November 21, 2016 12:36 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. Hopefully they either have thought through some 5-year arc, or they plan on revealing the mysteries sooner and moving on to something else driving the plot (like "Maeve in the World").

season two is medieval world or w/e, season three is romeworld

the poor execution of this show angers me because it cld be so good or at least fun

― lag∞n, Monday, November 21, 2016

a nolan joint, you say?

i can't tell if the tone is too serious or not serious enough

ha yeah xp

"Maeve in the world" would basically be the same as an Ex Machina sequel (as noted above).

Medieval- and Rome-worlds sound decently diverting but are both so stratified that your initial position (cf. Rawls) must be aristocratic or else it'd be no fun. No one pays serious dinero to be the designated toilet-scrubber at Castle Whatever. In Westworld, everybody who gets off the train in Sweetwater has a comparatively wide range of potential social stations. Still no one chooses "poor agave plantation worker" or "syphilitic whore."

Or so one assumes.

I was wondering what the role that Maeve had before she met Ed Harris involved. Was she the other half of a family that the guest fit into. Otherwise seems odd that you would make a robot into a female homesteader if she would be away from other population as I think she would have been if she was an actual homesteader.
Just finding it a bit 0f a peripheral role for them to create a robot to fill unless there was going to be some direct guest contact.

wait so tessa thompson was telling awful british dude that Ford's new narrative that he was currently in the process of building was abt some dude named Wyatt and a bunch of masked men terrorizing ppl
Man in Black is currently participating in a narrative abt a dude named Wyatt and was terrorized by a bunch of masked men

this wd mean that MiB's story is some point in the future, yes?

xp Or to put taht another way, you could understand extra characters being put into background roles in a town situation just to make the town situation more realistic. But if you're a homesteader living in a rural spot where you're not living on top of each other and therre to show taht there is population around I don't get the point. What interaction does a homesteader have with other individuals most of the time.
It looked from the clips where there has been a look back at that point in her life that she was living in the middle of nowhere.

this wd mean that MiB's story is some point in the future, yes?

― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, November 21, 2016 4:47 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was thinking that, the near future, or hes getting a sneak peak before its complete

Was she the other half of a family that the guest fit into.

― Stevolende, Monday, November 21, 2016 4:45 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whoa this is wld be so much more interesting and sad than any of the scenarios depicted so far, someone paying big bucks to play act a happy family

wait so tessa thompson was telling awful british dude that Ford's new narrative that he was currently in the process of building was abt some dude named Wyatt and a bunch of masked men terrorizing ppl
Man in Black is currently participating in a narrative abt a dude named Wyatt and was terrorized by a bunch of masked men

this wd mean that MiB's story is some point in the future, yes?

― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, November 21, 2016 3:47 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my assumption is that these things are rolled out sequentially? as in the first run of the new wyatt story is still in its 1st 'chapter' (nobody's even met the guy yet!) and TT is asking brit-boy to write a minor character into the unfolding scenario

basically i'm resistant to the idea that i have to keep track of slightly different timelines w/ this

happy to see that dadbot actor back tho, he was great

also they've come up with this back story to explain what is going on with Ed Harris involving a situation that involved one of teh central characters. But no explanation as to what that character was doing in the situation that Harris walked into. Jus surprised that they would go to the expense of paying for a robot to play a role that unless the guest is going to step into closer contact with might as well not exist.

Was also wondering what the story is with Dolores's home set up where she's living with her father. Presumably it must be understood that a guest would be coming into contact with taht domestic set up in some way or it wouldn't be part of the program loop surely? Is it understood that as part of the story line the place is going to get wrecked by passing bad men or was that a one off?

So now I think the new host being printed in Ford's basement lab is possibly an Elsie substitute. Because the first time we saw it I thought it was too small to be an adult host and then I remembered Shannon Woodward is 5'1".

I almost had a little crush on her until I read on some website the actor is best friends with Katy Perry and then I was like "I hope the android crushed her!!" instead

she was there for sidequest purposes stevo

i.e. rescue the homesteader from the Ghost Nation, or bring back her missing husband, etc.

yeah that makes some sense. Explains her purpose etc.

maybe this show shdve actually just been a video game

Choose your own adventure books were big when I was little; how different is this really?

"A sultry ho says, 'You must be new here, not much of a raaaand on you. I'll give you a discount.'"

If you want to fuck her, go to page 53.

If you want to blow her brains out, while cackling demonically, go to page 75.

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i love this stupid show i don't even care

it was definitely hella basil exposition in more scenes than usual tho this week

i like the freaky occult wyatt shit! make tv occult again/always imo

It's addicting. Though I have to agree with what was touched on way upthread somewhere- the employee's gratuitous swearing and shitting on each other is coming off like lazy writing that (I think) is trying too hard to make the employees look overly comfortable with their nutty futuristic sci-fi jobs. Either way, it's coming off really forced. The pointless shoehorned "fuck"s and nasty jabs in every conversation.

by the rules of reduced scifi plausibility i can imagine that the guys hired to simply do basic nuts-and-bolts repairs and programming ("butchers," as sylvester [the asshole guy] calls himself and lutz) would be like, not the most well adjusted dudes. we have multiple robo-necrophiles, after all

but even as a person who loves swearing in general, extra swearing is indeed pointless if it serves no purpose and it doesn't seem to here, other than to say everyone's kind of an asshole (which we already figured out)

the only sympathetic characters are the robots, and only then those robots who are gaining self-awareness, like bernard and particularly maeve. maeve is great.

Well the asshole level seems to be increased in order to oversell the idea that they treat it just like any other soul sucking occupation among other assholes, so as viewers we can relate to it and also be mystified by a future society that treats all this amazing miracle technology like its just part of their mundane day. "They are annoyed about the impossibly human heart stopping miracle androids not being handled correctly by a department at their company just like I'm annoyed at Jim for not sending me back the updated excel spreadsheet!! How crazy the future must be!!" idea beaten to death on this show.

I gathered that it's a little like being in Antarctica or on a ship or something - decently comfortable but isolating. They speak of "rotating out" and getting to see their homes and families every buncha months. This could lead to a familiarity-breeds-contempt thing where they just get on each other's nerves like college roommates do, which could up the hostility they show one another.

grunts who hate their jobs and are separated from family are a sci-fi staple

True, but then they also did it when the young executive lady showed up and sure enough gave Theresa the same kind of shit. The line went something like "I like you Theresa- well, not personally- but I like you as a manager here". Given this was the second of three total scenes these characters are ever going to be in together (unless there's a flashback), it seems there because the writers are relying a little too much on this one technique to keep the dialogue spicy? Just my opinion.

Also true.

xp

the best, forever

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this was excellent!

what the movie had that the tv series lacks is the fourth-wall breaking dude who practically did the bugs bunny "eh, ain't I a rascal?" routine

maeve breaks the 4th wall like three times in this ep! it was thrilling! things are getting freaky deaky.

i am almost positive that the writer douche is not actually british, but an american doing a british accent. which goes partway towards explaining why he's so bad. when you're not 100% with an accent it saps your focus and concentration so instead of doing a good job in the scene you're trying to get your mouth to make the right shapes.

i don't think tessa thompson is nearly as bad as you guys mare making her out to be. she has terrible dialogue to work with and i think she handles it credibly. you know who's bad, like super-bad, like i can't believe they didn't nip it in the bud and recast the part, is the beardy medical tech. MY GOD. all the scenes with him and maeve and leonardo nam are oddly stilted and static and frankly they've never nailed why exactly the two med techs are helping her in the first place. has she hypnotized them? it's dumb.

however despite all that this was great, my favorite episode since the beginning. maeve "hacking" westworld was awesome. teddy finally turning on ed harris was awesome. ed's story about his real life and his wife was awesome. dolores' hallucinations are super spooks. the return of logan is genuinely frightening. maeve's real and imagined backstories are awesome (though once again the westworld approach to QA feels pretty slipshod - in her former role maeve killed herself?? oh well no probs, let's give her a different role i'm sure she'll sort herself out). ford and bernard's little chat about what makes humans real was great. (what are the chances bernard DOESN'T end up killing ford at some point once he figures out what ford's made him do?)

the only thing i'm not really feeling is "the maze" which i'm sure will, irritatingly, get almost entirely pushed off to S2. i like shows that set up mysteries and then SOLVE THEM and then PUSH THROUGH to the next mystery. ah well.

luke hemsworth is the kind of dude who would coach your elementary school basketball class and wear gray snap-top coach shorts

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omg so I'm watching (ok I'm posting to ilx and its on) and we've just encountered an actual honest to god "ah ____ you disappoint me" in the wild! badness upon badness in this tv programme

God this show moves so slowly. Taking you up to the brink of something revelatory or a genuine explosion point but never actually there. The Man In Black's interminable life story that actually amounted to fuck all. Dolores reaching the place she'd been searching for...and then just getting some confusing flashbacks. Nothing explained, nothing happening.

Was sort of convinced by the multiple timeline theory but it feels way too late in the day to reveal that in a meaningful way? ie if it's revealed, the reaction will be "oh I guess they finally got there" rather than "BOMBSHELL!!!"

Basically feels like they didn't write enough plot and have had to stretch it out really thinly.

Super into Maeve rampaging and killing everyone though. Don't even care that the technicians' motives are inexplicable, I'm thankful for that if it gives us that one storyline that's actually exciting.

(Also thought Elsie's death got ridiculously short shrift given that, in lieu of Bernard being a human, she was the only human aware of dodgy goings-on and not invested in covering it up. Actually thought Bernard was flashing back to killing Theresa at first it was so brief.)

(I don't hate the Charlotte and Lee characters that much, they're silly and have bad dialogue but that campy silliness is a much-needed counterbalance to the vast swathes of NOTHING HAPPENING elsewhere - I think they're much more watchable than any Man In Black scene.)

also you guys referring to every character by the actor name rather than the character name is weird imo. Spent a lot of this thread wondering why you were calling Theresa Tessa

I don't know character or actor names because wgaf

I think bad brit writer is an actual English guy doing cringey performative Englishness for American audience, like the you're the worst guy

my god you're right.

writer is bad but not in the way that the show is bad, more like a genuine "how was this allowed to happen" kind of bad

him and the beardy surgeon who has SO MANY LINES WHY DO YOU KEEP WRITING LINES FOR HIM GAHHHHHH

btw my frame of reference for bad American television is quite small and mainly confined to PRISON BREAK but from that I learned the bad tv rule that if a character's exact moment of death is not shown onscreen that is a cast-iron guarantee that they will be shockingly revealed to still be alive later on

Didn't Prison Break decapitate someone then bring them back to life?

yesssssssss

"I saw your head in a box"
"you saw a head in a box"

also you guys referring to every character by the actor name rather than the character name is weird imo

I think people's inability to remember character names is symptomatic of the boring nature of the characters