Remake/Remodel: DC Rebirth so you don't have to

aldo, can you compare and contrast "dc rebirth" with earth-prime 2016 and let us know which is more awful?

Yes, Bat-Cow is canon now. Whatever that means these days.

rushomancy, I'd rather read 1000 more election result trauma pieces than another DC book just now. And I just downloaded this week's pack.

Having slept on it, doing this write-up has killed me. I realised that the thought of reading 20 or so books when I came back from holiday had filled me with dread and I was putting off reading them because I knew they were such UTTER shit for by far the most part. Out of that whole three weeks of comics the only ones I enjoyed were ASB, Batman, Harley Quinn, Supergirl, Superman, maybe Teen Titans, actually Titans and maybe Wonder Woman (odd numbers). That's a really poor hit rate.

So I'm bowing out. I'll still probably skim the titles and I'll post any ACTUAL REBIRTH PLOT here but there wasn't any since the last issue of Titans and none in this so I think it might just all be forgotten about. I'd like to say it's been fun, but we all know that's a lie. It's been... an experience.

We salute you for your service! Go enjoy the sun freezing winds on your face.

God bless you for your service, aldo. My question continues to be who (besides masochists) has been buying this shit for the past five years?

rushomancy, I'd rather read 1000 more election result trauma pieces than another DC book just now. And I just downloaded this week's pack.

― Horizontal Superman is invulnerable (aldo)

thanks. sometimes i need a reminder that this is not, actually, the worst of all possible worlds. :)

best holidays to you, aldo, in your recovery from your long nightmare

what they said. enjoy your freedom!

So glad that some sense has fallen on you, aldo.-

Makes me want to read Superman and Rebirth in general:
http://www.polygon.com/2017/1/10/14119712/dc-comics-rebirth-superman

i got into the sixth paragraph explaining why there are two supermen in the dc universe and gave up. i'm a giant fucking nerd and even i couldn't be bothered trying to parse what was going on. i did enjoy the writer's acknowledgement that new readers would be confused but that they should just sit back and enjoy it anyway, which seems insanely optimistic

and lol at the idea of the remade dc universe being a happier, sunnier place when the article prominently features an image of superman and superboy literally punching the jaw clean off a villain's skull

Superman is the brightest light in the small cluster of Rebirth books that are actually any good (but it should be noted that OF COURSE BECAUSE DC INCOMPETENCE) Trinity contradicts bits of Superman in that WW and Bats treat 80s Superman as if they've known him forever, or Aquaman where Superman is actively an executive branch of the US government (that's the Aquaman who is an enemy of the state, not the one in Justice League who is friends with everyone). Without going near GL getting to ignore any elements of reboot it likes because it's Geoff Johns' favourite player.

Anybody who thinks Rebirth is actually a good idea or solves anything is a lunatic, it's another sticking plaster on top of DC You's sticking plaster on top of Convergence's sticking plaster on top of New 52's sticking plaster on top of Final Crisis' sticking plaster on top of on top of on top of all the way down to CoIE's original wound.

i still can't believe dc didn't stick with the concept of hypertime

The worst part is that none of it needed fixing in the first place. Nobody cared that Golden Age Superman had different power levels to Silver Age. Nobody cared that nobody cared who shot Batman's parents. "Omits just a Multiverse" was a good enough handwave and meant that when things like Flash of Two Worlds happened it was thrilling and a specific exception because of a weird set of circumstances (see also Multi-Doctor Doctor Who stories).

I know it sounds like I go on about continuity in DC books, but that's only because post-CoIE they insist THERE IS ONE. If they set that as a rule then they need to comply with it (see also Modern Doctor Who).

And of course also there's BIGGER THAN THE LAST ONE Event Publishing which escalates everything to impossible levels and resets the bar for hyperbole at ridiculous intervals (see also Modern Doctor Who and Sherlock).

Continuity aside, I think there's been a mild-to-moderate uptick in quality across the DC line, although Eddie Berganza still works there, so my general feeling is still screw 'em. Some of the Young Animal titles pretty good too, even if it has "cancelled by September" stamped over it.

Like, the Suicide/JLA crossover that's happening right now is by no means good, but it's certainly about 6000% less bad than it would have been this time three years ago. Baby steps! It's still fanwank, mind.

DC COMICS: NOT GOOD BUT BETTER

Makes me want to read Superman and Rebirth in general:

I read the first 90 or so paragraphs before noping out, and she was still going on about characters getting respect as if they're people, and not talking about authors or art or ethics or politics and it didn't make me want to read either rebirth or anything else she or that website ever publish

Yeah, the little that I read was not convincing. And believe me, I'd love to be convinced that DC got its shit back together. I'm a hardcore Marvel stan but I was reading maybe like an average of a dozen DCU titles for a number of years until Flashpoint, when I abruptly stopped and have not returned.

Thumbs up to Young Animal, though. It's like the early years of Vertigo all over again.

I don't have any sense that things will continue to get better, just that they've reached a comfortable plateau of just-about-averageness for the first time since 2009-ish.

All that said we've arrived at the age where the best book DC are publishing is probably The Flintstones.

Speaking of which, there's a full-on DCU/Hanna-Barbera crossover in a couple of months seemingly in continuity.

Why the hell not, we already have a presumably in-continuity comic of John Constantine battling Dark Orko.

Flintstones _IS_ really good btw

psyched for george jetson vs batman tbh

The cognitive dissonance of mostly decent creators working on comics adapting Hanna Barbera properties (which I always considered the nadir of childhood entertainment) for DC (which has largely been a dud of a company for a while) which are somehow good against all odds is doing my head in.

pictures of minor riots and skirmishes and police with pepper spray in washington being shown on the bbc right now

Crisis on Earth-2

i leave it to your imagination as to whether i posted in the wrong thread

WHITHER HAWKMAN WHEN WASHINGTON NEEDS HIM

This is Earth Prime

I dunno what cable news channel YOU'RE watching but i beg to differ

Just because we elected Per Degaton doesn't mean it's changed.

http://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2471785174/HATE.JPG

Both DC and Marvel have been in a big rut for the past few years. I'm trying with the Batman titles, but they swing from doing a scene that might be cool to some of the dumbest Batman comics I have ever read and I have read a few.

It's definitely a different era of comics when they have Batman both getting it on with Catwoman in a current story and put out a movie where he gives it to Batgirl. The nurds definitely have taken over the temple.

Charles Soule's current run on Daredevil has been pretty good.

A new level of customer contempt from DC saw no less than 4 regular books clock in at under 20 pages.

Seriously? That's fucked.

I only noticed when I got to the end of Superman and was confused because it felt like I'd just started reading it. And at 18 pages, I had.

How bizarre.

the food is terrible - and such small portions!

Dr. Manhattan farted, and rebooted the DCU for the 52nd time...

Huh, guess I missed that news about the DC pagecount. What turds. IIRC, Marvel pulled that nonsense under Jemas (the era that also brought us ads indiscriminately plopped between the pages of what was intended to be a two-page spread).

If last week's issue of New Super-Man is true and Ching Lung from Detective Comics #1 is actually the creator of the Rebirthiverse then I could almost see my way to forgiving everyone involved.

Does anyone know about current plans for the Legion of Super-Heroes? Weren't they teased in the "Rebirth" one-shot?

I think the plan is to have them come back, still be boring and have no readers, and then cancel them again.

why should anything ever change?

there's your slogan for the next reboot

The next line-wide reboot should just be a thing where everybody trades costumes for a while. Whoooa, Batman dresses like Booster Gold now, and hey look, is that Beast Boy dressed like Wonder Woman, how fun.

Saturn Girl is in Arkham Asylum as seen in Batman. There's an unknown link to Emerald Empress who was rebooted into the alternative Suicide Squad in JLvSS and Batgirl is going to bust her out of Arkham in her forthcoming annual leading to a Supergirl team-up which presumably will lead to a Legion reveal.

I've got a soft spot for the Legion but they'll get cancelled if they get their own book. Remember, they had not one but TWO Johnsiverse books. And also remember that Deathstroke has a Rebirthiverse book so baffling editorial decisions are clearly a speciality.

Thx for the info. I also have a soft spot for the LSH, but missed both the reboot and "threeboot." I checked out the New 52's "Legion Lost," and it was (without exaggeration) one of the worst comics I've ever read.

batman has been pretty good with Tom King, shame they've fucked it sideways with all this Dr. Manhattan nonsense.