I GUESS
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 06:15 (seven years ago) link
You have to check for hopkins' storyline tropes to find the bots
― tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 14 November 2016 06:56 (seven years ago) link
And escape (watching) westworld
― tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 14 November 2016 06:57 (seven years ago) link
Game of Thrones credit sequence: mechanical mapworld comes into being before your eyes.
Vinyl credit sequence: an LP comes liquidly into being before your eyes.
Westworld credit sequence: various biobots come liquidly into being before your eyes.
The Crown credit sequence: molten metal liquidly becomes a crown before your eyes.
I think we've found the MMteens' dominant visual cliché. It's the new teal & orange.
― marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 14 November 2016 13:51 (seven years ago) link
i like the credit sequence. it's not about the 3D printing eye candy, it's about the piano. when the bot fingers first touch the piano it represents the hosts impersonating culture and speech and creativity. it's music that already existed (like a narrative/storyline in the park), and now they're reproducing it. then there's that shot where it reveals that it's a player piano, and then bot hands lift off the keyboard slowly while it continues playing, followed by the shot of the player piano roll. that's alluding to the growing sentience of the hosts, the knowledge of what's under the hood and their true roles in the theme park: the music is already written and will be played regardless, they're just window dressing to make it seem more "real", etc etc
i guess all of that is obvious but i still think it makes for a more interesting credit sequence then, say, house of cards
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link
despite all that i'm really starting to dread watching this show. everyone around me loves it and were blown away by the last episode and i can't even force myself to like it on the Lost level right now.
better intro sequence would just be the video for All is Full of Love, straight up, no edits, with "WESTWORLD" tacked on at the end
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 16:33 (seven years ago) link
Do we think that Ford was building a host Theresa down there in the basement?
― schwantz, Monday, 14 November 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link
o god probably
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 16:48 (seven years ago) link
we do think that, to the degree that we can be arsed to think about this show at all
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 14 November 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link
I've watched the first two episodes of this. It's good, but boy is it slow... Not the plot or the action but just... I dunno, I found myself getting itchy and/or tired of waiting for it to move on. Does it pick up?
― Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Monday, 14 November 2016 18:06 (seven years ago) link
it picks up and gets very bad
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 18:07 (seven years ago) link
I'm still into it. I cannot explain why in any convincing way. Maybe I'm just a sucker for AI stories.
― schwantz, Monday, 14 November 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link
entertaining and dimwitted; i thought the big twist was pretty well executed.
funny how the nature of HBO shows is such that murder (OH SORRY SPOILERS) seems like really low stakes in a conflict.
what used to set HBO apart was how well its shows dramatized people struggling as individuals in a particular organization with its own rules and prerogatives (the mob, cops/gangs, a lawless town). even the Leftovers was at its best when in that mode (how do we live together in a world with different rules). WW is more concerned with 'mystery' in a basic sense, tune in next week etc
wright is so good, can't take any objections here
boy william really went for it didn't he. what a dope.
― goole, Monday, 14 November 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link
Karl - I respect your deep metaphorical reading: What I don't get is: why would they 3d print a fucking piano? Why not just use one of the like thousands of existing pianos?
I get why you make a personbot; those are needed because otherwise you'd have all kinds of consent problems, what with the frequency with which guests want to fuck and/or kill them. Reproducibility, reparability, comparative disposability. It's nice that they make horsebots too, for some of the same reasons. Birds? Uh, well, sure, make birdbots too, what the hell.
If piano strings are so scarce in the distant future that they need to extrude/spray them out of high-tech nozzles, fine, I guess. But is that also how they get chairs, wood, glass, whiskey, guns? At some point wouldn't it make more sense just to buy and have actual stuff?
― marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 14 November 2016 19:08 (seven years ago) link
idk if there are thousands of existing faux-1800s player pianos
― mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 19:09 (seven years ago) link
If you wanted an exact replica of a 19th century piano w/o wear and tear you could just punch the details into the printer instead of hauling some antique shop piano into space or wherever
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 14 November 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link
They have wood and they have metal. Someone could make a piano the usual way.
― marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 14 November 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link
Can't wait for the Westworld character who's the equivalent of Arthur Dent complaining that the replicator can't make tea that tastes like tea
― mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
why would they 3d print a fucking piano? Why not just use one of the like thousands of existing pianos?
my one remaining wish for this world, this westworld, is that they resolve this mystery at the very end of the last episode of the series, just before dramatically cutting to the final credits, with no music.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 19:17 (seven years ago) link
knowledge of pianomaking vanished during a data back-up in 2076
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 14 November 2016 19:23 (seven years ago) link
You know, this whole "Arnold and I built the park together" thing... two dudes, or one dude and his robotic apprentice?
― mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 20:05 (seven years ago) link
"arnold is what i call me left ball mate" --anthony hopkins, final line final ep west world
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link
imo arnold was real and anthony hopkins is the left ball
― mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link
fiiiiiiinally caught up to this show after spending the whole run being 1-2 episodes behind (also apparently HBO Go starts hosting episodes the actual minute they finish airing on TV?? who knew!!). The real winner of this show are (were) Bernard's impeccable suits.
― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 14 November 2016 21:51 (seven years ago) link
is there a real bernard somewhere? you think HR could have looked this up. am i dumb for asking? yes.
― goole, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:55 (seven years ago) link
true bernard is stylin xp (love jeffery wright generally altogether)
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:57 (seven years ago) link
OK what the hell this got renewed for a second season. WHAT IS THE SECOND SEASON GOING TO BE ABOUT
― El Tomboto, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link
a new expansion pack
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:00 (seven years ago) link
only three episodes left in the season!
at this rate we need a second season to figure out the other half of what's going on other than minor corporate shenanigans and an off-kilter android designer
― mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:06 (seven years ago) link
did I miss something or are we still technically up in the air about whether Elsie is alive
― mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:11 (seven years ago) link
no clue as yet
this show is lowkey bad but also immensely entertaining
― i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:17 (seven years ago) link
idk I have seen what else ppl watch on tv and this isn't that bad
like are you going to watch two episodes of "how i met your mother" or like an episode of "orange is the new black" and unflinchingly say you better spent your time
I'd say some highbrow elitist thing about reading a book but I have read (or at least started) some really bad books
― mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:25 (seven years ago) link
The real winner of this show are (were) Bernard's impeccable suits.
OTM
had this same conversation
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link
feel like this show is spectacularly bad in a way that a lesser show cldnt hope to achieve
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:31 (seven years ago) link
anthony hopkins performance feels like a protest against the show itself
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:32 (seven years ago) link
so... what happened to Elsie?
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:33 (seven years ago) link
i hope it ends with the protagonist finding philly at the edge of the park and becoming a mcpoyle bro
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:33 (seven years ago) link
i mean, i like watching it very much, hence lowkey bad rather than high. the dialogue is often objectively bad, and the seriousness with which it takes itself is both truly not made for these hyperironic days and at times difficult to easily swallow
― i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:34 (seven years ago) link
so I guess Bernard is an Arnold-bot then
― Number None, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:35 (seven years ago) link
i was stoked on the mystery of the first couple eps but after that it just seemed like they were all "lets do everything in the world all at once"
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:35 (seven years ago) link
i was pumped about the show early on but i have to admit that when there were oldtimey piano covers of johnny cash, rolling stones, AND soundgarden in the first episode i got a really bad feeling
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:37 (seven years ago) link
ha good call
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:38 (seven years ago) link
they had nine inch nails in episode 5 and that basically made me forgive all this show's faults tho
― i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link
lol elmo, I just asked about Elsie, too
I think the implication so far is that Elsie got taken out by Bernard and he doesn't consciously remember it because it's bad
― mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:41 (seven years ago) link
maybe elsie got taken by a diff faction, feels right
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:42 (seven years ago) link
something about the physical laws of danger don't make sense to me (read: shit is incoherent)
the confederados shot a gatling gun at the train, shredding the car walls. but presumably guest william is supposed to be impervious to those bullets; maybe thumped a little but not seriously injured. eh ok. we saw one of the bullets (pulled out of maeve) and it had some kind of odd screw shape? is that meant to signify "tech here" and everything gets handwaved after? i guess i'd appreciate if the show didn't stretch it too much past that...
MIB setting off some minor explosions was presented as something special; something approved from the office for a preferred customer. but then later on we've got a lot of shit blowing up for everyone, nbd.
as a commentary on video games it's got a glaring oversight: missions where you're totally ok but have to protect a vulnerable NPC (MIB with teddy, william with dolores) are annoying as hell and no fun at all. i would expect a player to want to know if a storyline has graduated a character into special or semi-protected status, so you don't feel cheated if they get shot unexpectedly! esp after trekking days into the desert with them...
― goole, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:46 (seven years ago) link
yes i do feel like a chump for putting this much thought into it
itsnotthatdeep.jpg
― goole, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:47 (seven years ago) link
idk, bullets deform when they hit things
― mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:48 (seven years ago) link
Anyone read any Jonathan Hickman comics? This is starting to remind me of that. No characters, no free will, just a very sophisticated diagram. I'm still enjoying it though.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 14 November 2016 23:02 (seven years ago) link