Wow. Whoa. That is some group of people. Thousands. - US Election Day 2016

It's been a while, but I'm returning to ILX b/c tbh I need allies after this shit. we'll hopefully get through this together.

Gutted. Hugs to you all of youse.

what a world to wake up to

my sympathy to all of you ('cept punksishippies, who doesn't want any. have fun with that etc)

I guess my consolatory take is that at least this way, the real and indelible horror of the new bigotry (same as the old!) can't be ignored under a tide of clintonian relief. It's here and it's got to be fought

^ real talk.

I think the odds of Michelle Obama ever running for office went from 0% yesterday to 110% today.

I'm frankly envious of those of you in NY, LA, where this is the sort of thing may unite people in opposition. Here in Carville country, I've not seen a many H stickers/signs/shirts outside of Orleans Parish.

My "H->" shirt is going to go into the drawer with all the Ts for obscure bands, too fragile for to go through the wash cycle except for special occassions. Here, maybe it will offer a similar shortcut to connecting with strangers.

I guess brimstead will have Melania Trump to reckon with now

ts: 9/11 vs 11/9

australia got its trump in 2013, and things got even worse than anyone ever expected. i'm only saying this to warn y'all not to console yourselves with comforting sentiments like "surely it won't be bad". fight. start today. get out there. unify, protest, be heard. don't ever let the bigots win.

I live in Michigan. Considering our history, I'm shellshocked at what happened here tonight - that said, even though I frequent decidedly liberal enclaves here, the pro-Trump 'antiestablishment' populism has been such that I can see how it's swerve was underestimated.

can we have some thread/space where we can just express love and comfort one another?

b/c that's all i need or want at the moment.

I guess my consolatory take is that at least this way, the real and indelible horror of the new bigotry (same as the old!) can't be ignored under a tide of clintonian relief. It's here and it's got to be fought

Yeah I was just having the same discussion with someone earlier this morning. The hatred from whites to everyone who isn't one of them is now official, no more being naive and nice.

not to impugn any other sentiments! which i likely share as well

i just need to feel some kind of connection

my sympathy to all of you

I hope that is directed at the whole world, because we're all fucked now.

can't wait to see which cabinet position rudy gets

directly beneath Trump's glans

Can I say also fuck you to Washington State for [rejecting a carbon tax](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/washington-carbon-tax_us_5820e0d6e4b0e80b02cbdad0). This was literally the only type of plan that might be palatable to more conservative states if the Feds do nothing. Sierra Club, Van Jones, Naomi Klein and BLM: you were so wrong on this. Now enjoy squabbling over who would get the grants in your magical world where big government advocates are in the majority.

re: blaming Hillary for being a weak candidate or whatever...No. It's because too many Americans are stupid and gullible enough to fall for the Right's ridiculously obvious long-term "strategy" of smearing her. There are enough mouth-breathers in US, those who lack critical thinking skills, to be turned into puppets of the 1 out of the 2 parties that is shameless enough to really go all-in on the smear tactics. Look at how easily the Right was able to get them to buy what they were selling whole-hog. To be whipped into a frenzy of "LOCK HER UP" over some non-scandal like using a friggin private email server. I want to scratch my eyes out every time I hear a non-right winger go "well they both have done bad things and have bad qualities". They think cynicism will cover up their ignorance.

reality used to be a friend of mine

- p.m. dawn, 1991

Those knuckleheads are gonna be some pissed when their new government fails to get her in jail.

Hillary shouldn't have been crowned Obama's successor in 2008. The 2016 primaries should have been way more open than they were.

I don't think Sander's could have won. He has the ideas, but not the demeanor many centrists/undecideds would look for. HRC is accomplished and the allegations baseless, but this could have all been avoided if the Dems had nominated someone the Right hadn't spent 25 years creating "negative brand equity" for. Encourage the Warren's and Kaine's of the world to get into the race, early.

my sympathy to all of you
I hope that is directed at the whole world, because we're all fucked now.

well, yes, we are all fucked, sorry everyone.

but today, in the runup to the fuckedness starting for real, I offer sad virtual sympathy to any Americans (or non-Americans for that matter) currently feeling the chest-crushing sensation I had on Brexit Morning and other mental and psychosomatic expressions of terror, incomprehension, alienation

(and yes, this is bigger, but despite hearing many bad election results I've never felt it so physically before, and this morning I know a lot of people are probably feeling the same)

Hillary shouldn't have been crowned Obama's successor in 2008. The 2016 primaries should have been way more open than they were.

if this weren't in plain fucking relief before, it sure the hell is now.

thoughts with you all today

didn't a significant maybe even crucial number of people who voted obama last time vote trump this time? because that's what some of the county by county analysis of ohio I saw seemed to be suggesting, and I was wondering what explanations are being offered

Granny Dainger otm

yeah i posted about that earlier but whatever

xp

HRC was diligent, capable and deserving as many, and we thought we were righting wrongful persecution when we defended her. It's the liberal impulse.

However, brand equity isn't rational. Advertising doesn't exist to help consumers rational choices, but to shift their unconscious impulses. Negative brand equity is real. How many of you have stepped inside a Sears or K-Mart lately? That's the kind of burden HRC carried, and it wasn't necessary to tie our hopes to this rock.

If we're a party of ideas, not people, then we can live in our own echo chamber where baseless allegations are refuted and pretend others listen, or we can just side-step the mud and pick someone capable who represents the ideas, not themselves.

can we have some thread/space where we can just express love and comfort one another?

b/c that's all i need or want at the moment.

― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 November 2016 09:50 (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

good thoughts to american ilxors.

hard to know how to react to this. i'm starting to feel like i want to live somewhere away from the politics of hatred, or just away from politics, and maybe there are some places like that now, but the world is shrinking for those who want to live in societies based on decency and fairness. it's like there is no escape, no way of stepping outside a broken system. and i say that fully aware that i'm not even in the usa and in a position of privilege in the country where i live.

I will say the next 4 years will do a lot for mental health awareness in the American public.

A textbook malignant narcissist on the TV every fucking day.

Carl Sagan, Demon Haunted World (1997):

I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance.

So I actually went to bed at 12:30. I slept two hours, then tossed and turned as my heart couldn't stop beating. I refused to check my phone or turn on the TV. I just learned the news half an hour ago.

This is symbolic at this point, but in the current tally Clinton is within 90,000 votes of Trump, with a few million left to count.

NYT is still giving HRC a 1% advantage in the popular vote.

Projection, that is.

But yeah, the NSDAP only got 33.09% of the German vote in 1932. Small comfort.

This is symbolic at this point, but in the current tally Clinton is within 90,000 votes of Trump, with a few million left to count.

― Mike Pence shakes his head and mouths the word ‘no’ (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, November 9, 2016 11:08 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If Clinton has conceded and it turns out that the count is wrong isn't that already final?
I mean hopeful that what now seems inevitable might somehow miraculously be shown to be a mistake but I think that's just a dream .

& just wondering what this election is going to act as a beacon for in the light of the shite that went down after the Brexit results. & where else on the planet it might enable further stupidity but christ.

sorry sanpaku but i never want to see another percentage again

Still can't really sleep

no, me neither. tried several times; heart beating out of my chest. need to feel some kind of communication but don't want to keep my partner up.

i cannot tell if the numbness or blankness i occasionally feel is just disbelief or some kind of encroaching, benign acceptance of death and its associates

http://i.imgur.com/4AYJ9N2.jpg

Well! So the Supreme Court. And the Affordable Care Act. And the Iran deal.

maybe if the oppo dump drops real quick there's still a chance

Conceding has no legal force. Gore conceded, but recounts and Bush v. Gore followed.

But yeah, the NSDAP only got 33.09% of the German vote in 1932. Small comfort.

But in a multi-party system numbers like these, beating the second-largest party by 13 percentage points, are (normally) a big victory. And despite this, the Nazis still had to revert to extra-legal measures to seize the power.

a tiny bright light in this is that i've been reaching out to friends i hadn't spoken to in months (and they've been reaching out to me). i hope that sort of connectedness keeps up, just a little bit.

and i say that fully aware that i'm not even in the usa and in a position of privilege in the country where i live

This country hasn't elected anyone running on an explicitly racist platform yet but it's going down a similar path. I suppose the only real hope is that this is such an obvious administrative and economic failure that the backlash is swift, furious and lasting. But that's zero comfort to anyone caught up at the sharp end, or the rest of us if the failure is particularly severe.

What this means for Syria, and the Middle East in general, is particularly terrifying right now.

Stay strong everyone. I know this won't mean much coming from someone who mostly provides drive-by opinions on metal threads, but I'm wishing you all well. I can't really offer any consolation because the UK has it's own fascism to do. Still can't believe this is happening, though. It's like on the morning of the Brexit results I'm in a daze thinking "wait, that wasn't supposed to happen wtf"

Hope that makes sense I haven't had any sleep either

I'm just sick of waking up with his horrified feeling of disgust and dread, three times in the last year now.

Which is the least fucked country we could all move to?