i ran the movie do not resist last night (for an audience of ~4 people, doesn't get the blood up like GMOs i guess) and tho there wasn't a single mention of trump (was prob all shot before he declared) watching it this weekend made it clear what the bloc of law enforcement that's for fascism in the ferguson era looks+thinks like -- lots of talk of delusional cop-haters who don't understand that the only thing that keeps them alive in a howling void of evil and violence is law enforcement, and specifically law enforcement's capacity to inflict violence -- and then all of a sudden james comey showed up and said every night he lied to his little girl, because his little girl thought there were monsters under her bed, and he lied, and he told her monsters aren't real
good luck us!
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 7 November 2016 04:43 (seven years ago) link
the monsters aren't hiding under the bed, they're kissing her goodnight :/ </trenchant>
― Mordy, Monday, 7 November 2016 04:46 (seven years ago) link
national trenchant week
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 7 November 2016 04:48 (seven years ago) link
ran the above movie again tonight to another small and radically quiet audience, F5ing the returns in the booth alone. so these guys have the executive, the legislature, and the security services, huh.
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 07:46 (seven years ago) link
this is extremely good imo
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-supermanagerial-reich/#!
― The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Friday, 18 November 2016 01:55 (seven years ago) link
pretty good read, thanks
― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 November 2016 02:22 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yh0jAxOxGE
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 18 November 2016 02:27 (seven years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Friday, November 18, 2016 2:22 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the lovely latebloomer linked it on fb fwiw
― The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Friday, 18 November 2016 02:30 (seven years ago) link
tombot, can i ask for your thoughts on the vibe in dc right now
― The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Friday, 18 November 2016 02:34 (seven years ago) link
revived DC thread to answer since I don't know what anybody else is vibing
― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 November 2016 02:40 (seven years ago) link
cool, thx
― The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Friday, 18 November 2016 02:45 (seven years ago) link
Reading the thread title, my first thought was: I guess we're going to find out.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 18 November 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-is-actually-a-fascist/2016/12/09/e193a2b6-bd77-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html
― wrinkled sweater guy (los blue jeans), Saturday, 10 December 2016 05:23 (seven years ago) link
Nevertheless, the bourgeoisie does not like the 'plebian' method of resolving its tasks. It was always hostile of Jacobinism, which cleared the road for the development of bourgeois society with its blood. The fascists are immeasurably closer to the decadent bourgeoisie than the Jacobins were to the rising bourgeoisie. Nevertheless, the sober bourgeoisie does not look very favorably even upon the fascist mode of resolving its tasks, for the concussions, although they are brought forth in the interests of bourgeois society, are linked up with dangers to it. Therefore, the opposition between fascism and the bourgeois parties.
The big bourgeoisie likes fascism as little as a man with aching molars likes to have his teeth pulled. The sober circles of bourgeois society have followed with misgivings the work of the dentist Pilsudski, but in the last analysis they have become reconciled to the inevitable, though with threats, with horse-trades and all sorts of bargaining. Thus the petty bourgeoisie's idol of yesterday becomes transformed into the gendarme of capital.
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 10 December 2016 06:04 (seven years ago) link
Economist writing of risks re: Trump's policies raises the dread F word:
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-corporatism-innovation-economic-growth-by-edmund-s--phelps-2017-01
Finally, and worst of all, Trump thinks that bullying corporations, such as Ford and Carrier, and aiding others, such as Google, will boost output and employment. This is an expansion of corporatist policy the likes of which have not been seen since the fascist German and Italian economies of the 1930s. If this thinking persists, there will be more interference in the business sector to protect incumbents and block newcomers. This will clog the economy’s arteries, most likely preventing far more innovation than it stimulates among the established insiders.
I don't know enough about economics to know if this dude's focus on innovation is right-on or not, just saw it and thought of this thread
― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 20 January 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link
that "red blood of patriotism" line was legit terrifying
― marcos, Friday, 20 January 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
(in the inauguration speech)
a truly hitlerian speech all around
― Treeship, Friday, 20 January 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link
emboldened mods starting already imo
― trilby mouth (darraghmac), Friday, 20 January 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link
under the guise of "discriminatory speech"
what freedom of speech i say to ye brothers and sisters
let us stand together and in unison let our voices pound against the drum of fascism
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 20 January 2017 21:41 (seven years ago) link
http://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 2 February 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
this comment of mine has aged "well"
TLDR: he's a fascist― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:02 PM (seven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― wizzz! (amateurist), Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:02 PM (seven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
Corey Robin:
Before I wrote my book on conservatism, I was a student of the politics of fear. My first book, which was based on more than a decade of research, was an analysis of how political theorists since Hobbes have understood the politics of fear. In the second part of the book, I offered my own counter-analysis of the politics of fear in the United States. Fear, American Style, I called it.
Here’s what I learned about it: the worst, most terrible things that the United States has done have almost never happened through an assault on American institutions; they’ve always happened through American institutions and practices.
These are the elements of the American polity that have offered especially potent tools and instruments of intimidation and coercion: federalism, the separation of powers, social pluralism and the rule of law.
All the elements of the American experience that liberals and conservatives have so cherished as bulwarks of American freedom have also been sources and instruments of political fear. In all the cases I looked at, coercion, intimidation, repression and violence were leveraged through these mechanisms, not in spite of them....
The truth of the matter is that Trump and Bannon could get most if not all of what they want – in terms of the revanchism of race, gender and class, the white Christian nation that they seem to wish for – without strongman politics.
American institutions offer more than enough resources for revanchism. That Trump and Bannon seem not to know this – that they are willing to make opponents of the military and the security establishment, that they are willing to arouse into opposition and conjure enemies out of potential friends – may be their biggest weakness of all. And if they do know this, but seek strongman politics anyway, then they’re willing to put strongman politics above and beyond the project of social revanchism that their base seeks. Which may be their second biggest weakness of all.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/02/american-institutions-wont-keep-you-safe-trumps-excesses
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 February 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
xxp I got eight paragraphs into that before thinking to check the date.
― jmm, Thursday, 2 February 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, February 2, 2017 1:04 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yep
― marcos, Thursday, 2 February 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
Actually Donald Trump isn't a fascist, he is a dumb whiny man-baby with freedom fries where his testicles should be
I'd like to amend my previous post:
Actually Donald Trump isn't just a fascist, he is also a dumb whiny man-baby with freedom fries where his testicles should be
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Thursday, 2 February 2017 18:24 (seven years ago) link
Sometimes the difference between being a whiny man-baby or being a fascist man-baby is whether you are the head of state.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 2 February 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
that dorothy thompson piece is awesome
― El Tomboto, Friday, 3 February 2017 03:26 (seven years ago) link
Dorothy Thompson == Esquire link
Very telling quote:
I think young D over there is the only born Nazi in the room. Young D is the spoiled only son of a doting mother. He has never been crossed in his life. He spends his time at the game of seeing what he can get away with. He is constantly arrested for speeding and his mother pays the fines. He has been ruthless toward two wives and his mother pays the alimony. His life is spent in sensation-seeking and theatricality. He is utterly inconsiderate of everybody. He is very good-looking, in a vacuous, cavalier way, and inordinately vain. He would certainly fancy himself in a uniform that gave him a chance to swagger and lord it over others.
Remind you of anyone?
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 3 February 2017 03:52 (seven years ago) link
Esquire Harpers (sorry)
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 3 February 2017 03:53 (seven years ago) link
so it turns out that even if he'd like to be an authoritarian, it's too much work
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 14:54 (seven years ago) link
btw someone just wrotes a book about the Nazis' use of opioids, so i suggest we all send it to Yam for his birthday.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 14:59 (seven years ago) link
wasn't it about nazis and speed?
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 15:10 (seven years ago) link
yes, the rank-and-file Nazis relied largely on speed, acc to the NYTBR piece i read, but the Fuhrer's personal cocktails were a bit more diverse.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link
At some point, wasn't he getting loaded up with a lot of same shit JFK would regularly get dosed with?
― International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 15:59 (seven years ago) link
i'm an ilxor, not a doctor.
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/03/07/518986612/author-says-hitler-was-blitzed-on-cocaine-and-opiates-during-the-war
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 16:18 (seven years ago) link
just mr morbius, please
― virginity simple (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
really want to read that book, thanks for the reminder doc
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link
"Dr. Morell prescribed well"
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link
Great chemists, the Germans.
Hmm, is the jury still out on this?
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 22:39 (six years ago) link
Well, you can't say we did not give him a chance ... to prove beyond a doubt that he is a fascist.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 22:41 (six years ago) link
Perhaps "dysfunctional fascism" is the best description of this admin
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 14:27 (six years ago) link
can't even make the trains run on time ffs
― proton, neutron, electron and crouton (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 14:34 (six years ago) link
My old teacher has written a book about Trump as a fascist, based on his campaign and his inauguration speech, and we discussed it yesterday in my anti-fascism study-group. And it struck me, while his argument that Trump is a fascist was pretty well done, based on his campaign style/imagery/rhetoric and the speech, and the politics that he had done in the first few weeks, the analysis didn't really describe what has happened since then. If 'Trumpism' is a thing, if Trump was trying to be a fascist leader, then his project has pretty much failed completely by now. The Luther Strange fiasco might have been the final nail in the coffin.
Of course, Steve Bannon is still out there, trying to create a new wave for 2018 with people like Roy Moore, so it's not as if fascism in America has been defeated. But 'Trumpism'? That's pretty much over, and has left a semi-senile twitter-feed in charge of a country. IMO.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 4 November 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
The “kneel before Zod” approach is closer to how Trump thought the job would be than most folks understood at the time https://t.co/dIYrXEeyGi— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) December 14, 2017
― j., Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:02 (six years ago) link
I still can't believe that clip exists, it sends chills down my spine just thinking of it
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
she is 100% one of those reality show contestants whose villainy was actually maybe underplayed.
― omar little, Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
This thread hasn't been updated in a while. I guess the question is moot now, isn't it?
― Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:11 (five years ago) link
the answer is yes
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link