Thraed of Lil Peep

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The melodies

He uses

Are often not blues-based

Sounds to me like he does make frequent use chromatic intervals but I haven't rigorously reviewed his work from a musicological perspective so I'm not going to lean on a musicological argument--besides, you asking me to do so is clearly a trap along the lines of when ppl thought I was trying to say keef was being "complex" and therefore good by taking an unorthodox rhythmic approach

All I can say is that the melodic choices he makes remind me of the gloomy depressed trapped feel of stuff like Alice In Chains & similar 90s grunge stars that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.

I do think it's funny that an indie rock artist is trying to convince me of the vast influence of indie in the year of our lord 2016 when about 8 people still listen or talk about indie rock

And while I'm not as familiar with his influences in this area, I do know he's sampled multiple emo records, which suggests to me his influences are probably more along those lines than traditional indie as such

How in all these threads where three people (inevitably one of them is always Joan Crawford of the band best coast) pile on me abt the music I like in their most condescending shitthead tones always throw up their hands and accuse me of ad hominem attacks part way through

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Wait -- noz what do you think of lil peep?

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:01 (one year ago) Permalink

at least we know for sure he is not at all an indie rock dude copping some hip hop referents in his music where he doesn't rap at all

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMUsl43DZ4q/?taken-by=lilpeepshawty&hl=en

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, November 6, 2016 7:39 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're just showing how little you know about the scene he comes from but keep going good to have these with time stamps and everything.

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:04 (one year ago) Permalink

I should mention that it's not just the melodies but the texture of many of the beats and the sneering smeared singing style that enhances teh grunge aesthetic in my mind

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:09 (one year ago) Permalink

well david i'm glad you asked i think - and know - that lil peep is not good

based grandpa (noz), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Give Willy his tweet style back

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:14 (one year ago) Permalink

haha i am willying a bit the internet is fun

based grandpa (noz), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:21 (one year ago) Permalink

i sort of see where david is coming from re grunge but ultimately i hear more depressed cali junkie RHCP/sublime vibes than seattle grunge

J0rdan S., Monday, 7 November 2016 02:34 (one year ago) Permalink

There's def some of that too. Kind of a louche LA burnout thing. "Girls" def should have had a John fruscianti feature

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:45 (one year ago) Permalink

Idk about sublime though

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:46 (one year ago) Permalink

hm, this is not good on first contact but hey

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Bums me out that rap and indie rock are now basically indistinguishable tbh

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 November 2016 03:31 (one year ago) Permalink

This is like when ppl thought kreayshawn was a "hipster"

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 04:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Post Malone > this. Sorry.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 7 November 2016 08:56 (one year ago) Permalink

the common demeanor of rap & grunge is skate right ?

ANU (sisilafami), Monday, 7 November 2016 12:26 (one year ago) Permalink

I get that for you this is about cultural positioning ("the thing I like could not sound like the thing I don't want to be seen as liking"), which is not a surprise, but this dude sounds mainly like mainstream indie rock. he does also sound on that second tune like Blink-182

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 7 November 2016 12:42 (one year ago) Permalink

Post Malone > this. Sorry.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, November 7, 2016 2:56 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha post Malone wishes

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 13:14 (one year ago) Permalink

I get that for you this is about cultural positioning ("the thing I like could not sound like the thing I don't want to be seen as liking"), which is not a surprise, but this dude sounds mainly like mainstream indie rock. he does also sound on that second tune like Blink-182

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, November 7, 2016 6:42 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This isn't abt "cultural positioning" I just think you don't actually get what this is or where it's influences are coming from, you think this sounds like "indie" and I think indie rock is probably the ninth most popular form of music having an influence on a nineteen year old kid listening to popular music in 2016 & while there might be some textural or surface level commonalities w the genre it's really not a primary touchpoint for this nor does it really reflect his sensibility or approach--this is very sincere music & he writes lyrical w a brush that feels much more like rap meets emo than something intended to appeal to ppl reading gorilla vs bear or whatever. I do agree to some extent about the blink 182 thing

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 13:18 (one year ago) Permalink

All Reddit/chan/RYM dudes are obsessed with Memphis rap for whatever reason and this dude is 19, lock thread

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 7 November 2016 14:15 (one year ago) Permalink

oh i was wondering if you'd ever make a thread about this. when you sent it to me a few months ago i didn't know what to make of it and tbh i still don't

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Monday, 7 November 2016 14:25 (one year ago) Permalink

that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.

this guys sounds a lot more like that stuff than he does like soundgarden or nirvana. 4th wave grunge finally gets its due!

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 November 2016 14:59 (one year ago) Permalink

All Reddit/chan/RYM dudes are obsessed with Memphis rap for whatever reason and this dude is 19, lock thread

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, November 7, 2016 8:15 AM (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

20 year legacy of memphis rap now just makes whiney think of 4chan, you're lost in the sauce bro

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 15:08 (one year ago) Permalink

that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.

this guys sounds a lot more like that stuff than he does like soundgarden or nirvana. 4th wave grunge finally gets its due!

― call all destroyer, Monday, November 7, 2016 8:59 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the traphouse For Squirrels

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 November 2016 15:13 (one year ago) Permalink

20 year legacy of memphis rap now just makes whiney think of 4chan, you're lost in the sauce bro

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 7, 2016 10:08 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ah yes, there's nothing that millennials love more than the 20 year legacies of things, which is why all new music sounds likes Cibo Matto

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 7 November 2016 15:16 (one year ago) Permalink

I remember when Salem and How to Dress Well came out, my first thoughts were how they truly honored and respected and appreciated the 20 year legacy of Houston rap

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 7 November 2016 15:17 (one year ago) Permalink

i just love that as soon as some juggalo decides to be the drill Machine Gun Kelly, D-40 immediately races to ILX to start repping for [extremely mixtape voice] REAL... TEEN... SHIT

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 7 November 2016 15:20 (one year ago) Permalink

Finally the Kitty Pryde that won't give D-40 girl germs

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 7 November 2016 15:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Post Malone > this. Sorry.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, November 7, 2016 3:56 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark

this makes me feel better about defending peep

J0rdan S., Monday, 7 November 2016 15:36 (one year ago) Permalink

now he's a juggalo...now he's the male kitty pryde...now he's indie rock...now he's real teen shit...

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 15:54 (one year ago) Permalink

I thought to myself "maybe I'm being too dismissive of this dude based on 90 terrible seconds of 'Beamer Boy'" and decided to listen to "Kiss"

This does sound a LOT like Violent J singing over a Chainsmokers downtempo track, deej

¶ (DJP), Monday, 7 November 2016 16:17 (one year ago) Permalink

is that "indie"?

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 16:28 (one year ago) Permalink

i dont disagree w/ that description tbh

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 16:28 (one year ago) Permalink

whatever you want to call it, it isn't "good"

¶ (DJP), Monday, 7 November 2016 16:28 (one year ago) Permalink

there's definitely something 'hot for 2010' about this sort of thing

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Monday, 7 November 2016 16:29 (one year ago) Permalink

actually wait chainsmokers production doesnt really sound like this

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 16:29 (one year ago) Permalink

"this dogshit is squishy like a banana"
"bananas aren't squishy exactly, what if they're still in the peel?"
"well it smells like garbage"
"not like any kind of garbage I've ever thrown out"
"it's stuck to the bottom of my shoe"
"how can it be 'sticky' and 'squishy' at the same time?"
"well it's certainly dogshit"
"i think we've proven you don't understand what dogshit is, haven't we?"
"okay i'm gonna go"
"STAY HERE AND TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS DOGSHIT"

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Monday, 7 November 2016 16:34 (one year ago) Permalink

"that reminded me... of justin bieber... gone bad"

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Monday, 7 November 2016 16:42 (one year ago) Permalink

JCLC's got yr number deej

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 November 2016 16:45 (one year ago) Permalink

"this dogshit is squishy like a banana"
"bananas aren't squishy exactly, what if they're still in the peel?"
"well it smells like garbage"
"not like any kind of garbage I've ever thrown out"
"it's stuck to the bottom of my shoe"
"how can it be 'sticky' and 'squishy' at the same time?"
"well it's certainly dogshit"
"i think we've proven you don't understand what dogshit is, haven't we?"
"okay i'm gonna go"
"STAY HERE AND TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS DOGSHIT"

― the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Monday, November 7, 2016 10:34 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

youre acting like there's some objective truth to your dislike of this music but this is actually a recording artist, not literal dogshit

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 16:50 (one year ago) Permalink

i dont gaf if a bunch of out of touch 30+ year old men think this sucks, im not going to argue w/ your subjective experience of the music, but if you're going to misdescribe it or try & say the banana is made of dogshit, im going to point out that its actually not

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 16:51 (one year ago) Permalink

i dont gaf if a bunch of out of touch 30+ year old men think this sucks

well you did start a thread on ILM about it so methinks thou doth protest too much

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 November 2016 16:53 (one year ago) Permalink

^^^first fair point in this thread

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 16:54 (one year ago) Permalink

i dont gaf if a bunch of out of touch 30+ year old men think this sucks,

aren't you over 30 by now yung deejo?

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 November 2016 16:58 (one year ago) Permalink

yes, im just saying its not like i expect the majority of my demographic cohort to love it, just those with exceptional taste

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 17:00 (one year ago) Permalink

it's cool ums, deej is "one of the good ones"

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 November 2016 17:01 (one year ago) Permalink

youre acting like there's some objective truth to your dislike of this music but this is actually a recording artist, not literal dogshit
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40)

i'm really speaking more to your style of argument than the music, but neither are to my taste that's true

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Monday, 7 November 2016 17:02 (one year ago) Permalink

yes, im just saying its not like i expect the majority of my demographic cohort to love it, just those with exceptional taste

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 7, 2016 11:00 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha ok you got me legit lolling at work, bravo

listening to Ka and paying my bills online #grownmanrap

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 November 2016 17:03 (one year ago) Permalink

i actually don't mind lil peep too much really, but it seems like really in the vein of a lot of stuff now like spooky black and alan kingdom and all that other shit i dunno what makes this so different

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 November 2016 17:04 (one year ago) Permalink

dude this stuff you're giving deej shit for is just the way he post . I'm not sure what your goal is by doing this over and over . do you not want him to post here anymore ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:53 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah this is some bad faith shit

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:55 (six months ago) Permalink

my argument, such as it was, was that your phrasing was hella gross. Past that, I suggested that the main reason that conversation on peep has shifted from critical to reverent is because he died way too early. This is not shocking; nobody wants to speak ill of the dead. Nobody said "no one cares about white emo rappers until they die" except you.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:57 (six months ago) Permalink

outside of those points, i got nothing to say about peep, so I'll clear the floor.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:06 (six months ago) Permalink

lil peep was good and deej was right itt

khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:20 (six months ago) Permalink

is gym class the same song as beamer boy?

anyway, it all feels like Harmony Korine's take on trap rap to me.

Ludo, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:51 (six months ago) Permalink

("never on the streets, cuz I'll never leave my home") is kinda Why-esque nerdy cool though.

Ludo, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:53 (six months ago) Permalink

my argument, such as it was, was that your phrasing was hella gross.

And this argument is a shallow & obvious fig leaf for your personal resentment bc there’s nothing gross about what i said, It’s a neutral observation about how fast the critical narrative shifted that you’re bringing a whole bunch of baggage into of your own. Please fuck off

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:25 (six months ago) Permalink

Peep's love for RHCP is pretty endearing and kinda explains a lot imo. Got me to revisit their catalog with new ears around when he passed and deej posted that tweet of his upthread (also saw them live around that time).

fgti spinner (Spottie), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:38 (six months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

fucking great song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEoVjmfYlJ8

flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:26 (three months ago) Permalink


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