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Also yes I understand that grunge relied on different melodic tools and I'm arguing to you that this is something Lil Peep is also coming to, almost seemingly by accident. Most of the songs on hellboy remind me more immediately of Alice In Chains melodically than any recent indie

And I'm speaking of his vocal melodies here not the instrumentation per se tho I do think there are some beats which could fit this aesthetically

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 22:22 (one year ago) Permalink

well, I give any musician full credit for arriving at whatever musical destination he/she arrives at, so I think this guy gets to be credited with making something new out of the stuff that informs his own work, we just differ on what that stuff is. I just hear very very little of what you're ref'ing and a lot more 'verbed guitar/millennial "whoop" you'll forgive me/anthemic indie than I do the aggressively 'we are not blues-based or major key' gestures of the grunge bros. this guy sounds like the mainstream lil b to me. you probably hate lil b, I'm agnostic I just like to think about rap and casually keep track of what's going on, but his whole vibe, based on what I've checked out since this morning, feels very mainstream indie to me.

just based on my own experiences, I think a lot of rap dudes listen to a lot more indie rock than people generally suspect (cf. "the recipe")

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 6 November 2016 22:34 (one year ago) Permalink

lol i thought bones did sing but i guess i'm remembering him wrong

anyway lil peep is not good sorry man

based grandpa (noz), Sunday, 6 November 2016 22:48 (one year ago) Permalink

Now that we've already gotten to "you're just wrong actually" I'm Excited for the potential of this thread

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 23:07 (one year ago) Permalink

Also forgot how defensive people were about the artistic seriousness of 90s alternative lol where's flopson to remind me of the context of the last time we had this argument

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2016 23:09 (one year ago) Permalink

dude I hate that music unreservedly, 100% of it, but I know once you get shown where your claims don't work you resort to all manner of hilarious strategies. I knew once actual musical terms came into the discussion you'd weave though, never change bro

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 7 November 2016 00:05 (one year ago) Permalink

How have I been shown my claims don't work? Saying he uses melodies that remind me mainly of 90s grunge hasn't been "disproven" because you said you listened to one song and thought it reminded you of beach house.

Dropping a bunch of musical terms that btw I am actually familiar with--I studied jazz and am very familiar w the Dorian and phyrgian modes & what they mean harmonically is not some decisive death blow to an argument about an artist you've given a cursory skim. I haven't addressed your specific claims mainly bc you kept talking about "harmonies" when I was talking about a vocalist's *melodic* sensibilities? One who doesn't often harmonize

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 00:43 (one year ago) Permalink

Being that he is basing his music around loops like most rap artists of course the songs don't have the underlying harmonic structure of grunge but then that was never a claim I made

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 00:56 (one year ago) Permalink

i did not study jazz and i am not familiar with phyrgian modes but still i am confident that lil peep is not good

based grandpa (noz), Monday, 7 November 2016 00:57 (one year ago) Permalink

"I studied jazz and this, like everything I see and hear, sounds like Chief Keef"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 7 November 2016 00:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Chris you haven't actually been in touch with what's going on in rap since the Clinton administration

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:07 (one year ago) Permalink

But I'm stoked to figure out what new stone you can possibly overturn to say something new about run the jewels next time though

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:09 (one year ago) Permalink

At least this time noz can't delete evidence of being wrong like he did w his blogs

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:10 (one year ago) Permalink

david if you deleted your blogs would anyone notice

based grandpa (noz), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Good point that has a lot of of bearing on this conversation that you felt obliged to respond to for some reason

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:24 (one year ago) Permalink

Saying he uses melodies that remind me mainly of 90s grunge

in what way do they remind you of 90s grunge? This should be easy, as 90s grunge had several really distinctive musical qualities that set it apart from the hard rock of the day. I don't hear any of these in the stuff you linked; I do hear, and showed you in easy to understand terms, Beach House and mainstream indie. you don't like the idea of boosting something that reminds you of stuff you'd rather not be culturally aligned with, so you say it doesn't sound like that stuff, but it kinda does. sorry! a lot of the metal I like reminds me of Paganini, even though I do not like Paganini. Those are the breaks!

attempting to argue this on a legit musical basis w/deej w/o ad-homs tho obv we all know how that'll end but w/e

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:26 (one year ago) Permalink

(also for the record actually discussing what's going on is not "dropping musical terms." I know you can't help but think of actual musical discussion that way, but that's on you, not on people who like to talk about music.)

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:27 (one year ago) Permalink

sorry i'll get back on topic - lil peep is not good

based grandpa (noz), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:31 (one year ago) Permalink

at least we know for sure he is not at all an indie rock dude copping some hip hop referents in his music where he doesn't rap at all

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMUsl43DZ4q/?taken-by=lilpeepshawty&hl=en

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 7 November 2016 01:39 (one year ago) Permalink

The melodies

He uses

Are often not blues-based

Sounds to me like he does make frequent use chromatic intervals but I haven't rigorously reviewed his work from a musicological perspective so I'm not going to lean on a musicological argument--besides, you asking me to do so is clearly a trap along the lines of when ppl thought I was trying to say keef was being "complex" and therefore good by taking an unorthodox rhythmic approach

All I can say is that the melodic choices he makes remind me of the gloomy depressed trapped feel of stuff like Alice In Chains & similar 90s grunge stars that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.

I do think it's funny that an indie rock artist is trying to convince me of the vast influence of indie in the year of our lord 2016 when about 8 people still listen or talk about indie rock

And while I'm not as familiar with his influences in this area, I do know he's sampled multiple emo records, which suggests to me his influences are probably more along those lines than traditional indie as such

How in all these threads where three people (inevitably one of them is always Joan Crawford of the band best coast) pile on me abt the music I like in their most condescending shitthead tones always throw up their hands and accuse me of ad hominem attacks part way through

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Wait -- noz what do you think of lil peep?

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:01 (one year ago) Permalink

at least we know for sure he is not at all an indie rock dude copping some hip hop referents in his music where he doesn't rap at all

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMUsl43DZ4q/?taken-by=lilpeepshawty&hl=en

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, November 6, 2016 7:39 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're just showing how little you know about the scene he comes from but keep going good to have these with time stamps and everything.

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:04 (one year ago) Permalink

I should mention that it's not just the melodies but the texture of many of the beats and the sneering smeared singing style that enhances teh grunge aesthetic in my mind

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:09 (one year ago) Permalink

well david i'm glad you asked i think - and know - that lil peep is not good

based grandpa (noz), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Give Willy his tweet style back

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:14 (one year ago) Permalink

haha i am willying a bit the internet is fun

based grandpa (noz), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:21 (one year ago) Permalink

i sort of see where david is coming from re grunge but ultimately i hear more depressed cali junkie RHCP/sublime vibes than seattle grunge

J0rdan S., Monday, 7 November 2016 02:34 (one year ago) Permalink

There's def some of that too. Kind of a louche LA burnout thing. "Girls" def should have had a John fruscianti feature

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:45 (one year ago) Permalink

Idk about sublime though

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:46 (one year ago) Permalink

hm, this is not good on first contact but hey

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Monday, 7 November 2016 02:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Bums me out that rap and indie rock are now basically indistinguishable tbh

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 November 2016 03:31 (one year ago) Permalink

This is like when ppl thought kreayshawn was a "hipster"

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 04:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Post Malone > this. Sorry.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 7 November 2016 08:56 (one year ago) Permalink

the common demeanor of rap & grunge is skate right ?

ANU (sisilafami), Monday, 7 November 2016 12:26 (one year ago) Permalink

I get that for you this is about cultural positioning ("the thing I like could not sound like the thing I don't want to be seen as liking"), which is not a surprise, but this dude sounds mainly like mainstream indie rock. he does also sound on that second tune like Blink-182

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 7 November 2016 12:42 (one year ago) Permalink

Post Malone > this. Sorry.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, November 7, 2016 2:56 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha post Malone wishes

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 13:14 (one year ago) Permalink

I get that for you this is about cultural positioning ("the thing I like could not sound like the thing I don't want to be seen as liking"), which is not a surprise, but this dude sounds mainly like mainstream indie rock. he does also sound on that second tune like Blink-182

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, November 7, 2016 6:42 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This isn't abt "cultural positioning" I just think you don't actually get what this is or where it's influences are coming from, you think this sounds like "indie" and I think indie rock is probably the ninth most popular form of music having an influence on a nineteen year old kid listening to popular music in 2016 & while there might be some textural or surface level commonalities w the genre it's really not a primary touchpoint for this nor does it really reflect his sensibility or approach--this is very sincere music & he writes lyrical w a brush that feels much more like rap meets emo than something intended to appeal to ppl reading gorilla vs bear or whatever. I do agree to some extent about the blink 182 thing

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 13:18 (one year ago) Permalink

All Reddit/chan/RYM dudes are obsessed with Memphis rap for whatever reason and this dude is 19, lock thread

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 7 November 2016 14:15 (one year ago) Permalink

oh i was wondering if you'd ever make a thread about this. when you sent it to me a few months ago i didn't know what to make of it and tbh i still don't

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Monday, 7 November 2016 14:25 (one year ago) Permalink

that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.

this guys sounds a lot more like that stuff than he does like soundgarden or nirvana. 4th wave grunge finally gets its due!

call all destroyer, Monday, 7 November 2016 14:59 (one year ago) Permalink

All Reddit/chan/RYM dudes are obsessed with Memphis rap for whatever reason and this dude is 19, lock thread

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, November 7, 2016 8:15 AM (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

20 year legacy of memphis rap now just makes whiney think of 4chan, you're lost in the sauce bro

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 15:08 (one year ago) Permalink

that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.

this guys sounds a lot more like that stuff than he does like soundgarden or nirvana. 4th wave grunge finally gets its due!

― call all destroyer, Monday, November 7, 2016 8:59 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the traphouse For Squirrels

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 7 November 2016 15:13 (one year ago) Permalink

20 year legacy of memphis rap now just makes whiney think of 4chan, you're lost in the sauce bro

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 7, 2016 10:08 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ah yes, there's nothing that millennials love more than the 20 year legacies of things, which is why all new music sounds likes Cibo Matto

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 7 November 2016 15:16 (one year ago) Permalink

I remember when Salem and How to Dress Well came out, my first thoughts were how they truly honored and respected and appreciated the 20 year legacy of Houston rap

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 7 November 2016 15:17 (one year ago) Permalink

i just love that as soon as some juggalo decides to be the drill Machine Gun Kelly, D-40 immediately races to ILX to start repping for [extremely mixtape voice] REAL... TEEN... SHIT

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 7 November 2016 15:20 (one year ago) Permalink

Finally the Kitty Pryde that won't give D-40 girl germs

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 7 November 2016 15:23 (one year ago) Permalink

Post Malone > this. Sorry.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, November 7, 2016 3:56 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark

this makes me feel better about defending peep

J0rdan S., Monday, 7 November 2016 15:36 (one year ago) Permalink

now he's a juggalo...now he's the male kitty pryde...now he's indie rock...now he's real teen shit...

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 November 2016 15:54 (one year ago) Permalink

can i get a backpat for calling that his death was a fentanyl OD?

khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

facetats / backpats /cooking up beef in the crockpot

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

What “ownership” dumbass?? What fucking ownership? I said I liked something & made a case for it, that’s it

Saying it’s crazy how the convo went from highly controversial /trash talking to literary greats over the course of a few months doesn’t actually have anything to do with me?

You are completely projecting

And it’s passice aggressive bc you just run into every thread sniping about it in fake little asides instead of actually having a conversation

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

Not that I want a conversation just stop fronting

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

Saying it’s crazy how the convo went from highly controversial /trash talking to literary greats over the course of a few months doesn’t actually have anything to do with me?

you are driving the convo at the top of this thread. you started the thread and have been driving discussion about this particular artist ever since; you're like half the posts in here.

its pretty funny how quickly lil peep went from ... the convo at the top of the thread to a literal john jeremiah sullivan subject, though

this is gross because the kid is dead and the chances that this "literary great" writes about him if he's not dead are zero. that sentence did and does read to me like you're looking back on the thought and consideration you've given peep with a degree of satisfaction in that YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN RIGHT which is fucking lame.

I'd be more inclined to consider that projection on my part if you didn't feel the need to squeeze out multi post ad hominem rants that end with "i don't even want to talk to you".

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

How is “literary greats would never write about him if he hadn’t died” not an even more fucked thing to say about a dead kid, exactly?

If he was really the steaming pile of worthless garbage described upthread his death probably wouldn’t have inspired breathless John Jeremiah Sullivan profiles, sure. But Pointing out that the dominant tone switched from critical to reverent quickly isn’t saying anything about who was “right” or “wrong” about his work

It’s odd to me that the person accused of cynicism over the dead kid is one of the people who actually enthused about his artistic output while he was alive but whatever makes you feel better for shitting up this thread with your non contributions

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

Sooo the JJS piece, too bad he didn't connect the "hairy dj" with the guy who produced his fave Peep track.

Lots of embarrassing bits in there The intro, annotating the lyrics Genius-style etc) but I thought he hit a lot of good notes too.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 04:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

I agree fwiw, more amused by what it means that he even took the assignment (pitched it?)

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 04:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

yo outsider here but imo it takes a dedicated deej hater to read "taking satisfaction" into that post, like i too am amazed at how quickly lil peep went from bad internet musician to subject of serious journalism and i have no stake in this at all.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 04:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

imo,"the dominant tone switched from critical to reverent" entirely because the kid is dead and if that's me being cynical then i would ask where all the think pieces about his immediate contemporaries are at.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 04:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

jon caramanica who wrote the glowing piece in the ny times was a fan of his before he died chief

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 05:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

caramanica spilled way more ink on the nothing nowhere kid (or xxx or uzi or lil pump) than he did on peep until peep died

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 06:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

That’s completely false. Are you talking about the huge times feature on the new rap underground where he calls peep the scene’s Kurt cobain and barely touches on xxx? Just give up forks, you’re being dumb

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 08:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

And yes he got super into peep knockoff Nothing Nowhere for some reason but pointing out that he preferred one white emo rapper to another doesn’t make a very compelling case that no one cares about white emo rappers until they die

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 08:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah Caramanica did a podcast on the scene heavily featuring peep months before he died

President Keyes, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

pointing out that he preferred one white emo rapper to another doesn’t make a very compelling case that no one cares about white emo rappers until they die

good deej goalpost moving moment.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

dude this stuff you're giving deej shit for is just the way he post . I'm not sure what your goal is by doing this over and over . do you not want him to post here anymore ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah this is some bad faith shit

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

my argument, such as it was, was that your phrasing was hella gross. Past that, I suggested that the main reason that conversation on peep has shifted from critical to reverent is because he died way too early. This is not shocking; nobody wants to speak ill of the dead. Nobody said "no one cares about white emo rappers until they die" except you.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

outside of those points, i got nothing to say about peep, so I'll clear the floor.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

lil peep was good and deej was right itt

khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

is gym class the same song as beamer boy?

anyway, it all feels like Harmony Korine's take on trap rap to me.

Ludo, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

("never on the streets, cuz I'll never leave my home") is kinda Why-esque nerdy cool though.

Ludo, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

my argument, such as it was, was that your phrasing was hella gross.

And this argument is a shallow & obvious fig leaf for your personal resentment bc there’s nothing gross about what i said, It’s a neutral observation about how fast the critical narrative shifted that you’re bringing a whole bunch of baggage into of your own. Please fuck off

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

Peep's love for RHCP is pretty endearing and kinda explains a lot imo. Got me to revisit their catalog with new ears around when he passed and deej posted that tweet of his upthread (also saw them live around that time).

fgti spinner (Spottie), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

fucking great song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEoVjmfYlJ8

flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:26 (five months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

I really love “come on over when you’re sober, pt 1.” Kind of crude but earnest, charming and at moments heartbreaking. Kills me that this kid—who was 9 years younger than me I think—is dead and just reinforces my hatred of drugs

Trϵϵship, Sunday, 23 September 2018 03:06 (one month ago) Permalink

happened to watch this yt awhile back on a slow work day, its good but be warned i could not believe & was a bit shaken up by the image of peep having od'd (its @ 23:44 according to a comment)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_7I0BIz8vQ

johnny crunch, Sunday, 23 September 2018 20:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Wait they include an image of him after having od’d in the video?

Trϵϵship, Sunday, 23 September 2018 20:34 (one month ago) Permalink


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