Thraed of Lil Peep

"Unlike the other late-20s ironic message board whites, this guy got into lil ugly mane BEFORE he got into shitty consequence of sound indie rock, not the other way around. Dicks out for Harambe"

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, November 6, 2016 12:59 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This isn't ironic at all though! Thread wouldn't be complete without Whiney's inaccurate hipster studies I guess

I'm not sure grunge was about harmonies at all tbh, certainly a certain melodic sensibility though

what does this guy do that bones didn't

sd is my favorite grunge rapper

one of the main things that set grunge apart was it leaned toward modes it was imo copping from old zeppelin records but whether that's the case or not, their dudes tended to favor scales & harmonies outside the trad hard rock blues & minor blues that had informed most-but-not-all of the heavy music prior to grunge. melodies and harmonies go hand in hand, the modes yr favoring are gonna suggest sympathetic harmonies. alice in chains to me is the classic example of the "grunge harmony" but nirvana, stp, soundgarden lean hard on phrygian & aeolian modes and their vocal harmonies reflect that in a way that's super-important to how the genre sounds imo.

"the way I see things," the track I mentioned as sounding like best coast, does not sound like any of that, but does sound like best coast.

I hear the best coast comparison in the ~atmospheric gauzy production sound don't get me wrong but that feels like an incidental product of the scene he's coming out of

He's different than bones because he's singing & has a more interesting sense for melody and is not rapping in the 3000th iteration of lord infamous flows. His music is also just a lot less dry--more (melo)dramatic, romantic

Also yes I understand that grunge relied on different melodic tools and I'm arguing to you that this is something Lil Peep is also coming to, almost seemingly by accident. Most of the songs on hellboy remind me more immediately of Alice In Chains melodically than any recent indie

And I'm speaking of his vocal melodies here not the instrumentation per se tho I do think there are some beats which could fit this aesthetically

well, I give any musician full credit for arriving at whatever musical destination he/she arrives at, so I think this guy gets to be credited with making something new out of the stuff that informs his own work, we just differ on what that stuff is. I just hear very very little of what you're ref'ing and a lot more 'verbed guitar/millennial "whoop" you'll forgive me/anthemic indie than I do the aggressively 'we are not blues-based or major key' gestures of the grunge bros. this guy sounds like the mainstream lil b to me. you probably hate lil b, I'm agnostic I just like to think about rap and casually keep track of what's going on, but his whole vibe, based on what I've checked out since this morning, feels very mainstream indie to me.

just based on my own experiences, I think a lot of rap dudes listen to a lot more indie rock than people generally suspect (cf. "the recipe")

lol i thought bones did sing but i guess i'm remembering him wrong

anyway lil peep is not good sorry man

Now that we've already gotten to "you're just wrong actually" I'm Excited for the potential of this thread

Also forgot how defensive people were about the artistic seriousness of 90s alternative lol where's flopson to remind me of the context of the last time we had this argument

dude I hate that music unreservedly, 100% of it, but I know once you get shown where your claims don't work you resort to all manner of hilarious strategies. I knew once actual musical terms came into the discussion you'd weave though, never change bro

How have I been shown my claims don't work? Saying he uses melodies that remind me mainly of 90s grunge hasn't been "disproven" because you said you listened to one song and thought it reminded you of beach house.

Dropping a bunch of musical terms that btw I am actually familiar with--I studied jazz and am very familiar w the Dorian and phyrgian modes & what they mean harmonically is not some decisive death blow to an argument about an artist you've given a cursory skim. I haven't addressed your specific claims mainly bc you kept talking about "harmonies" when I was talking about a vocalist's *melodic* sensibilities? One who doesn't often harmonize

Being that he is basing his music around loops like most rap artists of course the songs don't have the underlying harmonic structure of grunge but then that was never a claim I made

i did not study jazz and i am not familiar with phyrgian modes but still i am confident that lil peep is not good

"I studied jazz and this, like everything I see and hear, sounds like Chief Keef"

Chris you haven't actually been in touch with what's going on in rap since the Clinton administration

But I'm stoked to figure out what new stone you can possibly overturn to say something new about run the jewels next time though

At least this time noz can't delete evidence of being wrong like he did w his blogs

david if you deleted your blogs would anyone notice

Good point that has a lot of of bearing on this conversation that you felt obliged to respond to for some reason

https://media.giphy.com/media/UVqPbnRA3vjOw/giphy.gif

Saying he uses melodies that remind me mainly of 90s grunge

in what way do they remind you of 90s grunge? This should be easy, as 90s grunge had several really distinctive musical qualities that set it apart from the hard rock of the day. I don't hear any of these in the stuff you linked; I do hear, and showed you in easy to understand terms, Beach House and mainstream indie. you don't like the idea of boosting something that reminds you of stuff you'd rather not be culturally aligned with, so you say it doesn't sound like that stuff, but it kinda does. sorry! a lot of the metal I like reminds me of Paganini, even though I do not like Paganini. Those are the breaks!

attempting to argue this on a legit musical basis w/deej w/o ad-homs tho obv we all know how that'll end but w/e

(also for the record actually discussing what's going on is not "dropping musical terms." I know you can't help but think of actual musical discussion that way, but that's on you, not on people who like to talk about music.)

sorry i'll get back on topic - lil peep is not good

at least we know for sure he is not at all an indie rock dude copping some hip hop referents in his music where he doesn't rap at all

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMUsl43DZ4q/?taken-by=lilpeepshawty&hl=en

The melodies

He uses

Are often not blues-based

Sounds to me like he does make frequent use chromatic intervals but I haven't rigorously reviewed his work from a musicological perspective so I'm not going to lean on a musicological argument--besides, you asking me to do so is clearly a trap along the lines of when ppl thought I was trying to say keef was being "complex" and therefore good by taking an unorthodox rhythmic approach

All I can say is that the melodic choices he makes remind me of the gloomy depressed trapped feel of stuff like Alice In Chains & similar 90s grunge stars that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.

I do think it's funny that an indie rock artist is trying to convince me of the vast influence of indie in the year of our lord 2016 when about 8 people still listen or talk about indie rock

And while I'm not as familiar with his influences in this area, I do know he's sampled multiple emo records, which suggests to me his influences are probably more along those lines than traditional indie as such

How in all these threads where three people (inevitably one of them is always Joan Crawford of the band best coast) pile on me abt the music I like in their most condescending shitthead tones always throw up their hands and accuse me of ad hominem attacks part way through

Wait -- noz what do you think of lil peep?

at least we know for sure he is not at all an indie rock dude copping some hip hop referents in his music where he doesn't rap at all

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMUsl43DZ4q/?taken-by=lilpeepshawty&hl=en

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, November 6, 2016 7:39 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're just showing how little you know about the scene he comes from but keep going good to have these with time stamps and everything.

I should mention that it's not just the melodies but the texture of many of the beats and the sneering smeared singing style that enhances teh grunge aesthetic in my mind

well david i'm glad you asked i think - and know - that lil peep is not good

Give Willy his tweet style back

haha i am willying a bit the internet is fun

i sort of see where david is coming from re grunge but ultimately i hear more depressed cali junkie RHCP/sublime vibes than seattle grunge

There's def some of that too. Kind of a louche LA burnout thing. "Girls" def should have had a John fruscianti feature

Idk about sublime though

hm, this is not good on first contact but hey

Bums me out that rap and indie rock are now basically indistinguishable tbh

This is like when ppl thought kreayshawn was a "hipster"

Post Malone > this. Sorry.

the common demeanor of rap & grunge is skate right ?

I get that for you this is about cultural positioning ("the thing I like could not sound like the thing I don't want to be seen as liking"), which is not a surprise, but this dude sounds mainly like mainstream indie rock. he does also sound on that second tune like Blink-182

Post Malone > this. Sorry.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, November 7, 2016 2:56 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha post Malone wishes

I get that for you this is about cultural positioning ("the thing I like could not sound like the thing I don't want to be seen as liking"), which is not a surprise, but this dude sounds mainly like mainstream indie rock. he does also sound on that second tune like Blink-182

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, November 7, 2016 6:42 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This isn't abt "cultural positioning" I just think you don't actually get what this is or where it's influences are coming from, you think this sounds like "indie" and I think indie rock is probably the ninth most popular form of music having an influence on a nineteen year old kid listening to popular music in 2016 & while there might be some textural or surface level commonalities w the genre it's really not a primary touchpoint for this nor does it really reflect his sensibility or approach--this is very sincere music & he writes lyrical w a brush that feels much more like rap meets emo than something intended to appeal to ppl reading gorilla vs bear or whatever. I do agree to some extent about the blink 182 thing

All Reddit/chan/RYM dudes are obsessed with Memphis rap for whatever reason and this dude is 19, lock thread

oh i was wondering if you'd ever make a thread about this. when you sent it to me a few months ago i didn't know what to make of it and tbh i still don't

that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.

this guys sounds a lot more like that stuff than he does like soundgarden or nirvana. 4th wave grunge finally gets its due!

All Reddit/chan/RYM dudes are obsessed with Memphis rap for whatever reason and this dude is 19, lock thread

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, November 7, 2016 8:15 AM (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

20 year legacy of memphis rap now just makes whiney think of 4chan, you're lost in the sauce bro

that later went on to influence stuff like staind and puddle of mudd or what have you.

this guys sounds a lot more like that stuff than he does like soundgarden or nirvana. 4th wave grunge finally gets its due!

― call all destroyer, Monday, November 7, 2016 8:59 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the traphouse For Squirrels

20 year legacy of memphis rap now just makes whiney think of 4chan, you're lost in the sauce bro

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, November 7, 2016 10:08 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ah yes, there's nothing that millennials love more than the 20 year legacies of things, which is why all new music sounds likes Cibo Matto

I remember when Salem and How to Dress Well came out, my first thoughts were how they truly honored and respected and appreciated the 20 year legacy of Houston rap

fucking great song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEoVjmfYlJ8

I really love “come on over when you’re sober, pt 1.” Kind of crude but earnest, charming and at moments heartbreaking. Kills me that this kid—who was 9 years younger than me I think—is dead and just reinforces my hatred of drugs

happened to watch this yt awhile back on a slow work day, its good but be warned i could not believe & was a bit shaken up by the image of peep having od'd (its @ 23:44 according to a comment)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_7I0BIz8vQ

Wait they include an image of him after having od’d in the video?

If u were incapable of appreciating lil peep I feel sorry for u

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ORsrbQa94M

god this thread is so good

Jesus that song is great

http://p4k.in/CKVxguj

Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QHo8iXA2yU

skip to 2:24

painful writing xp

Billy Corgon otm

Billy Corgan is right, but at the same time an unbearable prick, also he thinks he's called "Little Peep"

Billy crogan for preisdent

i love that song "falling down"

and runaway. i like this posthumous album.

cowys 2 is just about the only stuff of his I actively dislike

yea it is bad

It’s not perfect but idk that it’s some huge fall off... some
definite peep classics in here

https://pitchfork.com/features/interview/lil-peeps-mother-liza-womack-talks-about-her-sons-life-and-legacy/

seems like he was a sweet kid

That p4k review of hellboy is so pathetic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV7qfPcyaXQ

enjoyed the doc, its well done~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rxNVLEpmwQ

my first gold record miss ya gus pic.twitter.com/bDgJj4a7YG

— nedarb (@NEDARBNAGROM) February 5, 2020

the song from OP

i was crushing it in this thread right up until the moment i predicted post malone would flop 🥴

Lol you win some you lose some

That's the producer I was referring to in my first post on this thread.

Lol you win some you lose some

― Thybulle on the Dash (Spottie), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 8:56 PM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink

lose lose in this case

This song is doing some streams now, two years after its release ... pretty interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD2ypP3Xwq8

A billion streams for star shopping

https://www.instagram.com/p/CyZMIluujcc/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Congrats to indie rock’s biggest success

I recently interrogated a 14 year old about her favorite music, and she said her big 3 are:
Lil Peep
Weezer
Led Zeppelin

been meaning to check the joint album with makonnen

Man that "Star Shopping" Insta post made me real sad. Such a massive loss in pop culture. Such a singular writer. The photos of him with his Grandpa really hit me in a heavy way.

I admire how his Mom has handled his estate. Feel like her voice and the clear love that she had for her son really comes through in the promo materials.