homosexual II, you're right, it's actually much more plausible that (over the course of several loops) someone put the gun where she'd find it, let her hide it in the drawer, then removed it from the drawer and put it in the hay.
OTOH there's a part of me that wants to see this series reimagined in Colonial Williamfburg. You get a powdered wig and a musket, and you can either fuck a tavern wench or flirt with treason against the Crown whilst debating molasses imports in the House of Burgesses.
As a young Virginian I heard Colonial Williamsburg was hiring for a town drunk, and I thought: I've found my life's ambition. But it was not to be, alas.
― pumpkin spice was the Spice Girl who died suspiciously (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 3 November 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
Soderbergh is (maybe) making the Sot-Weed Factor as a 12-parter :D
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 November 2016 15:46 (seven years ago) link
I think it's amazing how watchable this show is despite having practically zero plot or compelling characters
― I know hoes that know Ali Farka Toure (voodoo chili), Thursday, 3 November 2016 19:22 (seven years ago) link
Haha yes
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 November 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link
indeed !although I guess you're supposed to like Bernard (lost his son, tries to free/raise Dolores, seems to be a decent person...) and maybe Dork (facing his evil bro in law, saving the damsel in distress...).but they're both so boring !then there's Dolores who seems to be at the center of the story.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 11:28 (seven years ago) link
and regarding the character you have to hate, it's obviously between Logan and MIB !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 11:29 (seven years ago) link
Maybe you are supposed to like Bernard but in the context of a theme park where robot sex abuse is thoroughly 'OK' it is more than a little creepy that every time he does a deep dive into Dolores' psyche he always forbids her from telling anyone about it. 'Let's just keep this between you and me' gggghhhuuu
Speaking of which, it is a little weird how paranoid Bernard is about her telling anyone. She's a robot. If he says 'don't tell anyone' she won't. There isn't any grey area. So why's he so worried about it?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 November 2016 11:41 (seven years ago) link
yeah. and it's not even like there's something really wrong in their conversations which would make it scandalous if anyone else knew.I mean, it's not very different from what Ford does "officially" with various hosts.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 11:51 (seven years ago) link
Good point!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 November 2016 11:53 (seven years ago) link
Dystopias be needing a Chosen Damsel, with a hidden nougaty center of badassness.
Anybody who knows their Shailene Woodley from their Hailee Steinfeld knows this. Dolores, Katniss, Bella from Twilight, whatserface from Divergent, River Tam.
Do I need to point out that the given name of the title character in Lolita is Dolores?
Arnold, Ford, Bernard, Ed in Black, and William McDork are all creeping on Dolores and projecting their own personal bullshit on her, almost bukkake-style. Ick.
― pumpkin spice was the Spice Girl who died suspiciously (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 November 2016 12:28 (seven years ago) link
I feel like they could be quietly phasing out that Bernard guy, like he could just not be in any more episodes and nobody would care. Borgen too - was she even in this last episode? Feel like I haven't seen her since her dinner with Hopkins in the holodeck or whatever that was, but I haven't really been paying too much attention. Did evil BiL expect there to be actual nitroglycerin in a theme park ride? idk this show is dumb as shit, unless at some point a character says "this narrative is dumb as shit", in which case it's TOTALLY CLEVER
― did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Friday, 4 November 2016 13:37 (seven years ago) link
ahah. I hadn't even thought about the obvious reason for fake nitro ! that said, MIB did have some explosives (which required an authorization from HQ... so I guess it wasn't REAL explosives ?).
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:13 (seven years ago) link
also, what made MIB realize Lawrence was useless finally, after dragging him along for so long ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:15 (seven years ago) link
bc he saw teddy who was an obv NPC upgrade
― Mordy, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:25 (seven years ago) link
Originally MiB was amusing himself by sadistically torturing Lawrence; clearly he's interacted with him before. When the daughter provided clues about the maze, MiB may have figured he was on the right track. He used Lawrence's blood to revive Teddy (rather than waiting for the staff to fix him up and send him back out). That would have reset the storyline, I guess, which MiB would not have wanted to wait through now that he is on the scent of the maze. Sidenote: are all hosts the same blood type? Inquiring minds want to know.
― pumpkin spice was the Spice Girl who died suspiciously (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 November 2016 14:43 (seven years ago) link
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, November 4, 2016 6:41 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he could be suspicious that a) the bots are able to communicate/infect each other with ideas inadvertently (a concept which the show seems to have left alone for a couple episodes now? after thandie got it?) or
b) some other person, staff or not, could be talking to her or running code on her or w/e
idk if the show is meant to be clear about this, but i think the bots recognize the corporate hierarchy? they respond to hopkins like he's some kind of wizard, but the rest of them have to have these clunky formal conversations.
― goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:51 (seven years ago) link
Well, from what I understood, initially, MIB went after Lawrence for a very specific reason, after scalping the indian. Obviously he knew Lawrence had something special regarding the maze, it wasn't just about the simple pleasure of torturing (what an interesting sentence !). This is why I wonder why he suddenly decided he didn't need him anymore (although he still kept him with him even after his daughter gave him some info about the maze). I don't remember clearly the scene when he sends the boy for some water cos he decided to kill Lawrence to save Teddy. I missed a detail, I guess.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:52 (seven years ago) link
Do u think the presumably very educated and expensive robot experts who have to rebuild the murdered robots at the end of the day also have to clean the ~body fluids~ out of them, or are there lower paid/more downtrodden employees who do this off-screen before that
it is strange how everyone in this show is either a dumbass or a robot, but maybe after six anxiety-inducing seasons of Game of Thrones it's nice to just watch some idiots hurtle towards catastrophe without having any other stake in it idk
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 4 November 2016 14:54 (seven years ago) link
xp Dolores has been shown to be able to lie to Bernard
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 4 November 2016 14:56 (seven years ago) link
xxposts : eheh, yeah I thought about the blood type issue too but forgetting they're robots I just thought "that's pretty silly, how does he know they're the same blood type..." !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:58 (seven years ago) link
well, about the lying thing, clearly, if she can lie to other people because he asks her to, she obviously can lie to him if someone else - Ford or.. Arnold - asks her to !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 15:02 (seven years ago) link
Had thought the robots were about 10 years old at oldest and still then surprised taht robotic technology wouldn't be in a constant flux of updates.
i think the answer to this was alluded to in the latest episode: when MIB mentioned that he opened up a host and it was beautiful inside. he was disappointed when they decided to go with the human-like technology for the hosts. it would seem that robotics technology continues to evolve and improve while human-bio-robotics has been perfected
― bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Friday, 4 November 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link
also makes me wonder that if the human-bio-robotics is a perfect facsimile, then maybe the programming tech could be used on actual humans too?
― bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Friday, 4 November 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
Would be surprised if anything was ever permanently perfected. Thought everything was open to improvement unless laws and strictures were passed preventing it.
― Stevolende, Friday, 4 November 2016 15:25 (seven years ago) link
isn't it what the tech guy trying to revive the bird is all about ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 15:31 (seven years ago) link
Wait, does Dolores lie to Bernard?
As I recall it, she lied to Ford - that is, she told Ford she hasn't spoken to Arnold in 34 years. Then she said something to the air along the lines of "I didn't tell him anything; he doesn't suspect."
What I take from this is that Arnold, before dying, conferred immortality upon himself by effectively uploading his brain into the cloud. He transferred his consciousness into the host-hivemind so that he can continue to manipulate events from beyond the grave. Arnold knew that the corporation would keep retiring and replacing individual 'bots, so he knew he wouldn't be able to live on if he only infected one host.
Note that Dolores is one of the oldest, but her original daddy had also been pretty well-used, in a variety of storylines. So he'd be a very good vector for transmission of the Arnoldvirus. Arnold MADE HIMSELF CONTAGIOUS, y'all.
― pumpkin spice was the Spice Girl who died suspiciously (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 November 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link
oh wait, I think you're right, she lied to Ford, not to Bernard.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 15:46 (seven years ago) link
A friend of mine is very hyped about the "Ed Harris and dork guy are the same person" theory, citing Lawrence popping up very quickly and far away for the dork's story 'after' being killed by Harris. also Harris talking about how he saved the company at some point in the past (which i don't fully remember), and the brother-in-law talking about getting in on the company 'now'. i was not convinced, but it's looking more likely?
also i do not know anyone's character name in this show except for Dolores, had to look up the wiki when you all were talking about "Ford" and "Logan".
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link
regarding names, same here : I had to look up on hbo's website first !as for MIB being the dork, I doubt it (unless they change the latter's character dramatically in the next episodes/seasons). at this point I have a hard time imagining him raping Dolores (even if it's years later) !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 16:26 (seven years ago) link
lol ikr
― did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:28 (seven years ago) link
if ed harris = dork and this show is taking place in 2 periods decades apart i am officially out, fuck that
― goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 16:28 (seven years ago) link
yeah that's what i was thinking
― bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link
If anybody is the same guy as another guy, look at Knee-Pants Kid, not the adults.
Knee-Pants Kid is either a simulacrum of Young Ford or of Arnold
― pumpkin spice was the Spice Girl who died suspiciously (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link
pretty sure this isn't the case
I'll see this to the end but I'll be very surprised at myself if I bother to look at a second season
― did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:46 (seven years ago) link
woah glitch in the matrix
― did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:47 (seven years ago) link
I said Bernard when I meant Ford earlier
but the fact that she said "he doesn't know" in reference to Ford suggestss Bernard's "have you ever lied to me/don't tell anybody about this" stuff isn't going to do him much good either
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:48 (seven years ago) link
I dunno about Ed Harris/dork being the same guy but those stories are definitely taking place in two different time periods
― Rob Boss (latebloomer), Friday, 4 November 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link
we do not see the MIB rape dolores. We see him get out a knife. I am pretty sure he was modifying her or something, or checking for maze clues.
― homosexual II, Friday, 4 November 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
those stories are definitely taking place in two different time periods
different days or weeks maybe? the daily resetting of the bots gives them a lot of outs on this...
my basic assumption is that like vg npcs the bots have short hourly/daily routines but if a guest gets involved with them in a longer narrative then they go off on that for the duration.
i haven't really put together what happened with 'lawrence' tho, seeing him pop up in badguytown read like it was meant to mean something but idgi
― goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:57 (seven years ago) link
I had thought that was just pre-hanging Lawrence? Earlier in his routine before he'd been caught by the law? No? Keep in mind it was like 1am and I had imbibed a fair bit
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 November 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
Like, Lawrence gets Mad-Maxed for his blood, the park crew comes and fixes him up and then sets him back at the beginning of his loop, then our heroes run into him
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 November 2016 19:17 (seven years ago) link
They have set up enough things so that if McPoyle does turn out be young MIB it won't be a shock: MIB having familiarity with the robots we see McPoyle interacting with, McPoyle learning that WW may be going under financially/MIB being given anything he wants (investor who saved the park?)
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 4 November 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link
this neatly sums up the evidence for multiple timelines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLli7Gc1ZBU
in any case, the show is definitely going out of its way to misdirect the viewer.
― Rob Boss (latebloomer), Friday, 4 November 2016 20:03 (seven years ago) link
man i have some kind of allergy to ropy-ass theorizing and the marshaling of 'evidence' thereto. a mystery is a different thing than doing a puzzle!
― goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 20:09 (seven years ago) link
try being into twin peaks rn :-/
― did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Friday, 4 November 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
Is it misdirecting or just leaving everything vague, a la Stranger Things, which ended its first season with a "well, that happened" indifference.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 November 2016 20:47 (seven years ago) link
Eh for better or worse this show seems to be a puzzle box/theory-generating machine by design so AFAIC it's fair game to over-analyze and speculate about it.
― Rob Boss (latebloomer), Friday, 4 November 2016 21:04 (seven years ago) link
re:misdirection: well, having Dolores fall into McPoyle's camp seemingly as a result of some recently recovered memory or whatever made it seem like the two stories were happening concurrently, but that could be some fucking-around-with-us stuff
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 4 November 2016 21:06 (seven years ago) link
yes i think you're right, don't mean to sound snappish
my preferred mode of engagement is to let those kind of thoughts spin out in the moment in a cloud of wonder and not commit them to youtube
― goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:07 (seven years ago) link
I prefer to swish an ep around in my mouth for a few seconds and then spit it out into a cup
― Rob Boss (latebloomer), Friday, 4 November 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link