Peel's exact quote in the south bank show documentary was that you couldn't tell the influences and used he the phrase "it was like they had sprung full armed from the ground"
And I have a vague memory of m-e-s praising the smiths last album but laughing at morrisey's adoration of skinheads saying something along the lines of "I put one on crutches last week!"
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link
xp
i understand that. except he calls mike joyce mike and i'm sure he calls andy rourke andy
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:34 (seven years ago) link
I thought he still called Mike Joyce 'Arsehole'...
― a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link
hey since we're calling people by their nicknames
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:38 (seven years ago) link
Oddly enough in that Invisible Jukebox Scott mentions Mark E. Smith calls Morrissey "Steven", but he's presumably being a dick.
― albvivertine, Monday, 31 October 2016 22:41 (seven years ago) link
mark e. smith was a smiths fan
Whoa!
― JRN, Monday, 31 October 2016 22:57 (seven years ago) link
If so, he hid it pretty well behind a clever screen of general dismissal.
― everything, Monday, 31 October 2016 23:12 (seven years ago) link
In the early days he used to insist on being called Steven as he hated Steve so not sure Mark E Smith is being a dick although apparently (according to Marr) there was an official directive issued by Rough Trade around 1983 forbidding the use of his forenames.
― groovypanda, Monday, 31 October 2016 23:13 (seven years ago) link
Or Johnny Marr, or Mike Joyce, or....
Can't believe a drummer found an old tape of some songs he co-wrote and recorded, in a drum case, and personally paid for a producer to restore them, personally paid for the pressing and distribution of a sure-to-make-him-millions 500 copies, arranged publicity, hired a singer to sing on it, and then DIDN'T hire an unrelated session drummer, who famously charges well beyond his ability, to wipe the drum tracks of his, the original drummer / writer / tape discoverer / project coordinator / investor / record label, own and replace them. What was he thinking???!
Morrissey is an asshole. So sad to read Johnny would have reformed in 08 if not for Moz being a flake and and weirdo.
There doesn't seem to be anything especially assholey or flakey about getting drunk and sentimental, knocking around the idea of doing something, then rethinking it later on.
I mean, Morrissey is self-evidently a massive arsehole and flake, but not for this. Doing a Three Quarters Of The Smiths reunion would be a bad idea, and almost certainly have fallen apart long before the end.
― sad, hombres (sic), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 06:23 (seven years ago) link
Trying to unpick part one of that, but failed. My orig post was about how daft the "We decided not to ask Morrissey" bit like it was up to them if they'd let him do it. For what its worth, it doesn't seem to be anything like The Smiths..
Part two and three are completely OTM, btw.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 07:43 (seven years ago) link
I think there are many reasons why it would be a bad thing.
I don't think it would 'piss on the legacy', I don't think it would be bad per se.
I just think there are better things to do.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 07:46 (seven years ago) link
Re a couple of points upthread: I think the only time you can hear the influence of the NY Dolls in the Smiths is "Lonely Planet Boy" in "There Is a Light".And Edwyn Collins said in interviews at the time that "The Artisans" was about Orange Juice.
― mahb, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 09:26 (seven years ago) link
Maybe he meant that it was "about Orange Juice" being replaced as critical darlings by the Smiths.
― everything, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
Yep, there's no way OJ would have actually said "this is about The Smiths".
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:42 (seven years ago) link
"It's Too Late" is a New York Dolls song that has a lyric that is a bit Morrisey-like. Even mentions Diana Dors!
― everything, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link
"No Reply" is basically a Smiths song. tell me you can't hear Morrisey singing "i nearly diiiiied"
This happened once beforeWhen I came to your doorNo replyThey said it wasn't youBut I saw you peep through your windowI saw the lie, I saw the lieI know that you saw meAs I looked up to see your faceI tried to telephoneThey said you were not homeThat's a lie'Cause I know where you've beenI saw you walk in your doorI nearly died, I nearly died'Cause you walked hand in handWith another man in my place
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link
Nah, that's more The Wedding Present.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 23:07 (seven years ago) link
I always saw no reason for Morrissey & Marr to not reform under that handle and not The Smiths - there would be no need to involve Bruce & Rick, plus the emphasis could be on a fresh beginning w/ new material rather than a straight reunion, plus it sounds better than something like 'The Tears'.
Well, no real reason other than Morrissey in general
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 23:12 (seven years ago) link
a *new* Smiths release!
http://true-to-you.net/sites/default/files/screenshot_20161129_180942.jpg
weird time to put it out. seems more like your 'record store day' thing. maybe the beginning of some 'proper' reissues? deluxe jobs and what have you? i know Moz was keen for a TQID anniversary edition that never materialized. who can say?
http://www.nme.com/news/music/smiths-release-new-single-featuring-two-unheard-tracks-1882407
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link
Tie in with recent Johnny Marr book?
― Wall of Def Jam (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 16:08 (seven years ago) link
see the Morrissey Solo site for plenty of scuttlebutt
― piscesx, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link
Morrissey likes to reissue his solo songs for no particular reason as 7"s so nice to see he's still keen on The Smiths
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link
I don't really see the point in reissuing deluxe versions of their output since Marr has remastered everything recently and apparently they released everything they produced at the time so there's no unreleased stuff left...
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 1 December 2016 11:47 (seven years ago) link
complete Peel/BBC sessions would be nice, can't believe they've never been issued on CD/vinyl in full. supposedly either Marr or Moz wanted the Troy Tate version of the album released at some point, maybe that'll see the light.
― piscesx, Thursday, 1 December 2016 11:56 (seven years ago) link
xpost -- and then it turns out there's two albums worth of unreleased funk sex jams. (Okay maybe not.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:00 (seven years ago) link
ah ! I would by that !https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_T1NE4Q2BI
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link
am i mistaken in thinking that marr recorded instrumental demos for morrissey to write to? have any of those ever surfaced?
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:06 (seven years ago) link
hum. that would be cool indeed. but I guess the demos were just basic recordings on cassette or something. I doubt they even kept these...
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:08 (seven years ago) link
but if they existed that would be interesting since Marr has said often that Moz kept turning things around, making verses with choruses and vice versa.
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link
yeah, i guess i remember marr saying he'd give morrissey like a really complex set of chord changes and morrissey would pick out sections and simplify? maybe I'm making that up...
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:12 (seven years ago) link
might not be worthy of release, but would be cool to hear anyway.
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:13 (seven years ago) link
does moz bark in that video?
― niels, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link
there's this of course which is pretty much an instrumental demo that Moz never got round to singing over. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8sBAvfM4sY
― piscesx, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
ha, yeah, i'd listen to an hour of that kind of thing!
― tylerw, Thursday, 1 December 2016 17:37 (seven years ago) link
That's wonderful, thanks for posting it piscesx
― JRN, Friday, 2 December 2016 06:48 (seven years ago) link
Would've been fascinated by things like that "Fast One" clip in the 90s. Now not so much. It sounds like 2-bar segments of actual Smiths songs edited together to make an imaginary one. I don't mean it's fake, but they probably did the right thing not taking stuff like this further.
― Eyeball Kicks, Sunday, 4 December 2016 06:09 (seven years ago) link
I didn't know this Smiths demo. it's pretty good and reminded me of this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa5sQuU2YjM&list=PLpAH3kPpftqrrufLr5Ei_EM_Z-i0qwAEI&index=7
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 19 December 2016 15:21 (seven years ago) link
http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/the-smiths.jpg
ey up
http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2017/07/19/smiths-there-is-a-light-that-never-goes-out-take-1/
― piscesx, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 23:51 (six years ago) link
"This site can’t be reached
www.slicingupeyeballs.com’s server DNS address could not be found."
― groovypanda, Thursday, 20 July 2017 07:03 (six years ago) link
Google cache has the page but the same news is on the band's fb page:
https://www.facebook.com/TheSmithsOfficial/posts/10154956732592683
― heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, 20 July 2017 07:21 (six years ago) link
Wait, what!?
(from that FB page):
https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20155585_10155291251880225_9077061206948731071_n.jpg?oh=89e6419c6c006dfe8b20cbd49e64111b&oe=5A0C6A65
― groovypanda, Thursday, 20 July 2017 07:36 (six years ago) link
Ok, officially announced 2 days ago:
http://www.stereogum.com/1952454/details-of-the-smiths-the-queen-is-dead-super-deluxe-edition-revealed/news/
― groovypanda, Thursday, 20 July 2017 07:38 (six years ago) link
Alseep? Is that an alternative version of Asleep?
― nate woolls, Thursday, 20 July 2017 07:48 (six years ago) link
I would assume that those B-sides are just the original tracks, except (here's hoping) Rubber Ring/Asleep might segue into each other to lovely effect as they did on the original 12" – not released since.
― Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 20 July 2017 09:05 (six years ago) link
Plus there's a DVD of the Jarman film/s and some live gig or other
http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/the-smiths-the-queen-is-dead-reissue/
Not sure why a new master needed making of an album that was remastered only a few years ago but still
― piscesx, Thursday, 20 July 2017 09:10 (six years ago) link
Re-issue! Re-package! Re-package!Re-evaluate the songs
― koogs, Thursday, 20 July 2017 10:17 (six years ago) link
Really wish they had released Salford 86. Check out Frankly, Mr Shankly from that show. This is the year the album got released, and the crowd go crazy for a random album track. Incredible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYeRMrz4pC8
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 20 July 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link
31 years ago today!
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 20 July 2017 17:51 (six years ago) link
Demos - meh. What I want is a complete Peel sessions!
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 21 July 2017 02:19 (six years ago) link
2017 master? Does this mean this is different from the remastered discography that was released a few years ago? That's my least favorite reissue strategy, the unnecessary re-remaster, like the nu-Sgt. Pepper, and the upcoming Pet Shop Boys.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 July 2017 03:35 (six years ago) link