dylan wrote a song about this
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 October 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
i like the nods to earlier styles. the intro is Dyers Eve-esque, and Lars is at his best when he's unexpectedly throwing fills into the middle of a phrase for no reason (seriously).
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Monday, 31 October 2016 20:46 (seven years ago) link
second listen and I like this even more.
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 03:21 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxFFAx3H9NU^^was this posted? they're in good shape!
― niels, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 07:54 (seven years ago) link
Also, do they rehearse in a Guitar Center?
most of that video looks to have been recorded in the same place they recorded the live dvd that came with st. anger.the same fan made flags etc.i believe its their own rehearsal space/studio.there is also reference to the place in the new mojo interview with lars.
― mark e, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 10:51 (seven years ago) link
:D
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 11:46 (seven years ago) link
Kirk channeling 90s Bob Geldof in the Stern performance.All signs point to a good album, fingers crossed!
― MatthewK, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 12:26 (seven years ago) link
whoa i loooove the new song
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 12:54 (seven years ago) link
All signs point to a good album
Except for the length...
― chap, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 12:59 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/oXEZiCz.gif
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 13:48 (seven years ago) link
Such a strange feeling to be anticipating a Metallica album.
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:01 (seven years ago) link
is kirk stealing hair from lars?
― yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:03 (seven years ago) link
are their heads slightly enlarged in this photo? or is it just the angle?
https://up-1.cdn-fullscreendirect.com/production/photos/7549/original/20160818_193900_7549_939482.jpeg
i can't stop looking at it. lars in particular.
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:15 (seven years ago) link
super-wide lens has distorted the perspective, making their heads look fuckin weird and their bodies oddly truncated
also looks like they were shot separately at slightly different angles and composited together, which increases the uncanniness
― yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:19 (seven years ago) link
lars looks like a foreshortened jack kirby drawing
― yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:20 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, it's very phonied-up on purpose. I would say a) extreme angle and super-wide lens; b) heads probably slightly enlarged in Photoshop; c) individual shots composited together. And all those things were done in a deliberately crude manner.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:22 (seven years ago) link
it looks like they were going for the cartoonishly large head effect but didn't go all the way with it. or, that at one point they had a photo sesh with the boys but all that really came out clearly were the heads, so later on they hired some body doubles to pose and then stuck the shots of the old heads on top.
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link
That got me thinking about whether a Metallica Funko POP toy existed. Doesn't seem to, but I found this:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0552/1401/files/Metallica-Wampa_large.jpg?4264
― how's life, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:38 (seven years ago) link
not to harp on kirk's brave battle with male pattern baldness or anything but he looks noticeably more hirsute in the stern video than he does holding that action figure
― yokohama fuckdolphin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:44 (seven years ago) link
It's the Metallica edition of old-skool Nickelodeon show Weinerville.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:02 (seven years ago) link
I don't think Lars is a total shit drummer, but he always seems to be trying so hard, kind of like Joey Fatone or Lance Bass struggling to remember the moves in an N*Sync routine.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:12 (seven years ago) link
I don't play the drums, but I am totally willing to accept that Metallica songs are difficult to play. That said, live he always seems to be having a blast.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:14 (seven years ago) link
why do his bass drum hits always have this dry, trebley "tk" to them? at least since ...and justice
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link
His face always seems to be doing twice the work of his arms and feet.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
There are technically better drummers in metal than Lars Ulrich and on the classic albums there's a lot of knitting together of takes and overdubbing... BUT, it's always been fun to watch drummers attempting to play 'Dyer's Eve' as it is on the album, which apparently is the hardest song to play drum-wise in the Metallica catalogue.
― Working night & day I tried to stay awake, but I fell asleep when I p (Turrican), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link
As for Lars' drum sound, at least on the studio albums it's down to whoever is engineering/producing as much as Lars himself.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link
okay listening on spotify now and woof man this sounds like compressed assbut to be expected i guess
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:27 (seven years ago) link
this is the production style for most metal these days, right? got to cut through those guitars, and make sure people hear every double-kick hit that you painstakingly played/triggered/programmed.
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link
what made Lars great is his parts and choices imo, more the creative aspect and how his parts worked with the arrangement than the physical. he was my Ringo basically.
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
(and a good role model for a not-technically-blessed drummer like myself)
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
There's a great bit in 'Orion' where Lars accents the riff in a strange way, but it works really well.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:43 (seven years ago) link
the whole "lars is a terrible drummer" thing has been so overblown and is wrong imo, feel like at a certain point metal became so regimented with double bass/trigger machinedrum exactitude that his quirks are perceived as "weak"
slayer worship has a lot to do w/it and the idea of slayer as the "ultimate" metal band
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link
otm. i like that even though i'm sure the performances on this album are many takes Pro-Tooled together (just like everything else, nbd), it feels like it's not to a click and has a certain looseness and character to it.
at live shows on the other hand he rushes like a maniac to the point where i don't know how the other members keep it together, but that is kinda charming too.
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
lars is a v rigid, inflexible, and unmusical drummer but also his limitations give him a very idiosyncratic style, dude's fills are v much his own. this is super apparently on lulu where he improvises a lot and it fuckin rules. also what he does seems v physically exhausting and he plays two hour shows, etc. i know people love to shit on lars but he's so inextricable from metallica's sound
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:57 (seven years ago) link
this is super apparent*
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link
Which is weird as hell since Lombardo is a super loose drummer, the way he drives the band is much more about groove than relentless machine-gun battery.
― Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 19:02 (seven years ago) link
There's a lot of moments on ...And Justice For All where certain transitions between certain riffs would be far more jarring if it wasn't for Lars helping to glue it together.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link
i dunno. I mean, I think it's ok to admit Lars isn't a great drummer. it is true that metal is full of such robodrummers like Flo Mounier, Dave Lombardo, Proscriptor, Pete Sandoval, etc that the expectation do tend to be elevated for metal drummers, but I mean there's a reason that the early Sodom albums are revered despite the horrible drumming. nothing Lars does on disc is embarrassing and complements the music fine.
live, though, he *IS* quite sloppy, he speeds up at weird times, he omits beats. If you listen to a MOP-era bootleg, you could barely tell songs like "For Whom the Bell Tolls" from songs like "Damage Inc" because Lars would speed the songs up to where they sounded like a different animal (fortunately he got over those zips by the AJFA era).
They've always been kind of known for being sloppy live (the Cunning Stunts DVD is one of the worst recorded performances of the band I think you could find). They've definitely taken it more serious in recent years, because on listening to bootlegs from the last 5 years, I don't hear the same complacency that I heard say, when they were half-enthusiastically playing their classics during the Load years.
doesn't impact the enjoyment of their live sets any (I do think it's fair to expect bands to play well live for what you pay, but there's a huge diff between Metallica-esque sloppiness, and the outright DGAF attitude HR gives live in Bad Brains these days)...there are some metalheads that will be at concerts basically counting every gaffe and I feel like that's the wrong way to enjoy a metal show but ymmv
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 20:59 (seven years ago) link
speaking of....I am kind of excited of being able to go to a Metallica show and looking forward to the new stuff. I haven't seen them since 1999 and judging for their 2009 Mexico performance (released on DVD a few years ago)....I'd really like to again.
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:02 (seven years ago) link
Funnily enough, I was thinking about ,Cunning Stunts last night and how I haven't seen it (or any of the Live Shit stuff) for years... I don't really remember the quality of the performances sticking out, more moments like Newsted's bass solo and Hetfield's terrible acting during the "burning man" section, which surely must be the most unconvincing "what the fuck?" Hetfield has ever uttered.
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link
In fact, does Hammett cock up the 'One' solo on Cunning Stunts or am I confusing it with a different show entirely? It's been a long time!
― Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link
lol he butchers it badly. he falls about a measure and a half behind and you kind of see it register in his face and he tries to catch up.
the 'burning man' thing was funny. long before the days of social media, I learned of this gimmick via USENet, so I knew it was going to happen at my show. but most of the fans there were telling me "OMG IT WAS REAL, HE WENT TO THE HOSPITAL". so I kept asking them how it was possible that none of that was staged when the flaming man APPEARED IN THE PROMO VIDEO FOR THE TOUR and I was telling people hours before the show it was gonna happen (i was a dick that didn't care about spoilers).
they wree like "coincidence!"
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
in a way, I kinda hated that aspect of Metallica live. like, the Load tour show I saw was 2:30 - 2:45, and yet a good half hour of that was pointless Hammett guitar solos, pointless Newsted solos, playing fragments of a bunch of songs without actually *playing* them (I'm not talking the medleys, either - I mean they played the intro for "Sanitarium" and at least 2 other songs and just stopped 20 seconds in.
like, if you're going to put on a 2+ hour show, be Springsteen and keep the music going.
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link
they seem to be doing that now though. I could do without the guitar solos tho. drum solos are fun live because of the athletic nature of them, but when I hear a 2-3 minute disembodied solo I'm kinda like "i'd rather be hearing a tune".
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:19 (seven years ago) link
re: lar's drumming, whoever compared him to ringo upthread otm, of course there are better drummers than lars but the guy can swing, and it is not possible to swing when you are playing double bass blast beats the whole damn time
― erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 09:14 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, he's not a great drummer, but he's a very good composer of drum parts.
― chap, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 10:53 (seven years ago) link
i've never thought of ringo as sloppy or not a good drummer
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 14:41 (seven years ago) link
Lars is weird in Metallica becuz he's actually the lead guitarist not the drummer.
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
people sometimes see simplicity and taste as negatives in a drummer, compared to flashier contemporaries.
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
They absolutely killed on Howard Stern recently, worth seeking out. Also I am my own best friend.
― calstars, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:34 (seven years ago) link