Rolling US Economy Into The Shitbin Thread

"street fighting man" just came up on itunes shuffle mode.

COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT.

'scuse me while I go stab local merchant in order to obtain a baguette.

Bad for McCain [Ramesh Ponnuru]

Not that it's the most important fallout, but this vote is very bad for McCain. He was trying to get House Republicans on board, after all, and he failed. Blaming the Democrats for the failure will not and should not work, given the ratios on both sides.

But several conservatives voted for the bill, including Blunt, Boehner, Camp, Cantor, Kline, Lungren, McCrery, Putnam, (Paul) Ryan, Tancredo, Weldon, (Joe) Wilson. I think they made the right call.

hyperbole is fun

the non-401Ks will be eating corn dodgers and swimming in schadenfreude.

yes but also because a lot of those guys are actual ideologues who really believe what they say about hating government etc. and the people who elected them do too. i'm sure local talk radio shows all over the country are burning up with people screaming about socialism.

― tipsy mothra, Monday, September 29, 2008 7:12 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Ah, so now they're not only in the position to blame 'socialism', but also the government? But where does that leave the GOP, I mean, at all? How believable can you still be if you're a republican, detest the republican president, but would still want all the people to vote for you - republican - come november?

In her speech before the vote, Pelosi, a California Democrat, said the Bush administration's policies were ``built on budgetary recklessness, on an anything-goes mentality, with no regulation, no supervision and no discipline in the system.''

That's what I call leadership.

That's what I call realism.

How believable can you still be if you're a republican, detest the republican president, but would still want all the people to vote for you - republican - come november?

Ahem:

Bailout bill fails vote in House

Believe it or not, the will of the American people -- We The People -- has been heard and the bailout bill, as presently constituted, has failed to pass the House of Representatives. I think they heard us loud and clear that not only will we not pay for Wall Street's errors, but we won't bail out the corruptocrats in Washington, either.

No, it's antagonism of the highest order. And if you really want something passed, you don't antagonize the other side right before a vote. Unless you're a retard or don't want the vote to pass.

nice comments on that blog alfred

Comments
of course the skank Pelosi blames the GOP even though 95 dems voted against it too.

I think these folks are all playing chicken if you ask me ....

Posted by: Cigar Mike Pancier at September 29, 2008 02:25 PM

Dems refuse to walk the plank, they have to blame someone else...It's pathetic if you ask me.

Posted by: readytoshoot at September 29, 2008 02:53 PM

Did you hear the skank pelosi's speech?

pure unadulterated evil she is.

Posted by: Cigar Mike Pancier at September 29, 2008 03:03 PM

"Unless you're a retard or don't want the vote to pass."

Can I vote both?

Dow really tanking now

No, it's antagonism of the highest order. And if you really want something passed, you don't antagonize the other side right before a vote. Unless you're a retard or don't want the vote to pass.

oh boo hoo

Dow really skanking now

shadenfreude, unless it eats my life savings

Bailout bill fails vote in House

Believe it or not, the will of the American people -- We The People -- has been heard and the bailout bill, as presently constituted, has failed to pass the House of Representatives. I think they heard us loud and clear that not only will we not pay for Wall Street's errors, but we won't bail out the corruptocrats in Washington, either.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn

Point taken. So it's not the republicans against the democrats, but the 'new' republicans versus the old 'ns, the old ones who refuse to listen to the people.

I've got no savings - weeeeeeeeee!

I guess no one has a roll call posted yet? The house.gov site doesn't seem to be responding at the moment. There were quite a few Democratic "no" votes too.

if you really want something passed, get rid of the infants who are willing to hold the credit markets hostage because some political rhetoric that they'd be perfectly happy to lay on the other side if they were in control makes them feel bad

classy!

From McCain campaign: “Please see the following statement by McCain-Palin senior policy adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin” [Rich Lowry]

“From the minute John McCain suspended his campaign and arrived in Washington to address this crisis, he was attacked by the Democratic leadership: Senators Obama and Reid, Speaker Pelosi and others. Their partisan attacks were an effort to gain political advantage during a national economic crisis. By doing so, they put at risk the homes, livelihoods and savings of millions of American families.
“Barack Obama failed to lead, phoned it in, attacked John McCain, and refused to even say if he supported the final bill.
“Just before the vote, when the outcome was still in doubt, Speaker Pelosi gave a strongly worded partisan speech and poisoned the outcome.
“This bill failed because Barack Obama and the Democrats put politics ahead of country.”

—McCain-Palin senior policy adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin

My Dem congresswoman, Nancy Boyda, voted nay. I wouldn't call her an infant. The DCCC doesn't.

as I've been saying since '06, the GOP is going to run against "the Democratic Congress" because it's all they can do - now they've simply replaced Iraq with the economy as the purported substance

did she blame Pelosi for the bill's failure, Euler?

Here's a roll call that was recently posted on Ron Paul's site:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=647#more-647

is it possible Pelosi gave her leave to vote nay on the (false) assurances of Boehner that he had enough votes?

I haven't heard yet, but I wouldn't be surprised. (xpost on Pelosi)

If I honestly thought that the bill needed to be passed and my congressperson voted no simply because they were offended by a speech given by a member of the opposition party, then I have to conclude that my congressperson is either (a) 7 years old, or (b) mentally unfit for higher office.

hm my local rep voted Y but my hometown rep voted N... they're both Dems

LOL at that boohoo 'McCain-Palin' statement

if you really want something passed, get rid of the infants who are willing to hold the credit markets hostage

that's rich. Give those 94 Democrats that leadership couldn't hoodwink a pacifier while you're at it.

no one was offended on the other side. They were just happy to leap on Pelosi's retard moment.

if this really is her speech i don't see what the big fucking deal is

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/09/rep_pelosis_remarks_on_floor_a.php

"then I have to conclude that my congressperson is either (a) 7 years old, or (b) mentally unfit for higher office"

Can I vote both?

It looks like my guy votes Yes, even though I wrote him an email last week telling him to vote No (though that was before the amendments were made).

He ignored your email! *SHOCKED*

the GOP fucked up the last 8 years, and because they have no record to run on, all they can do is run against "the Democratic Congress" America decided it wanted 2 years ago - Pelosi's bog-standard statement is a drink-stirrer for a desperate party to grasp

is Bill O'Reilly gonna have a coronary?

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/swing-district-congressmen-doomed.html

He ignored your email! *SHOCKED*

I guess I'd be surprised if anyone representing a NY, northern NJ, or CT district didn't vote yes, seeing the high proportion of the economies of those states that depends on the finance industry.

Pelosi won't be the big story if this keeps up (S&P 500 down almost 8% today, e.g.).

Unless people blame Congress for failing to act

which they won't

right.

Isn't there a do-over on the vote later anyway?

As if a last minute speech - by anyone - is gonna change a lot of minds anyway. It's a bogus accusation.

of course it is. It's SOP for the GOP.

Pelosi didn't need to open her speech by laying a turd but she just couldn't resist. Dumbass.

i'm sure you said the same about Newt back in the day, Don

you're not allowed to point out that something is one party's fault!

politics are ok... if you're a Republican

I think that the plan is deeply unpopular with most voters. If it passes, it's a case of elected representatives forcing the people who elected them to swallow their medicine, on the theory that the representatives know better. That's a dicey proposition if your seat is vulnerable.

thx for the link deej, i was having trouble sorting this thing ideologically. maybe it isn't, so much. xps

from the paul site:

Tony F Says:

September 29th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
HELL YEAH ! My rep BILIRAKIS voted NO! I just sent a fax to his office thanking him and letting him know that I appreciate his vote and I will tell all my neighbors what he did for us. (You think we could get CANNABIS legalized like this?)

seriously hav u read the speech. its take your medicine but in no fing way egregious.