Let's find an act that everyone on ILM hates.

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The success of Westlife is easily explicable.

- Pre-existing demographic: the Boyzone fans who were slowly growing out of Boyzone.
- Sharply focused on identifiable market winner: MoR ballads delivered in a style approachable to both very young and very old fans.
- Astute marketing by Cowell and Walsh: coordination of fanbase and marketing ensure near-automatic number ones as fans all flock to buy their records in the week of release.
- Brand maintenance: because they were MoR to begin with the transition to "adult contemporary" was not an obstacle, whereas Take That had to wait a decade for theirs.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:06 (sixteen years ago) link

At least Westlife >>>>> New Kids On The Block.

BULL AND BUNK

blueski, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:06 (sixteen years ago) link

see that's what i'm saying. NKOTB > x1 million Westlife, and anyone who isn't insane will think so.

they're not oldie music, of course.

Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Pre-existing demographic: the Boyzone fans who were slowly growing out of Boyzone.
- Sharply focused on identifiable market winner: MoR ballads delivered in a style approachable to both very young and very old fans.
- Astute marketing by Cowell and Walsh: coordination of fanbase and marketing ensure near-automatic number ones as fans all flock to buy their records in the week of release.
- Brand maintenance: because they were MoR to begin with the transition to "adult contemporary" was not an obstacle, whereas Take That had to wait a decade for theirs.

yes all very good, one problem though: THE MUSIC.

ie im playing chess at the end, but you will not get me to say i love big brother.

Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:09 (sixteen years ago) link

We're not talking about whether you like them or not. You said that their success was inexplicable. I have given you four clear and cogent reasons why they were successful. What you have to understand is that Westlife don't need "us," whereas, for example, Girls Aloud clearly do.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Or to put it a Riot Grrl way, Westlife are happening without our permission.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:12 (sixteen years ago) link

If there is hope, lies in the proles!

o fuk

Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:13 (sixteen years ago) link

The MOR element is probably a very important reason why Westlife have lasted at the top for so long (after all, 8 years is a long time for a boyband). Today's boy band fans are usually tomorrow's MOR/adult contemporary fans. Westlife's musical style makes the change easier.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes. Right, WL done into the ground.

Who else?

Mark G, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Daniel O'Donnel. Have at he!

Mark G, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Holl', watch it son

Tom D., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 12:29 (sixteen years ago) link

James Brown is the A.Q. Khan of music Geir dislikes.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Insane Clown Posse?

chap, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 14:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Rednex

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Can't say I hate ICP- their comedy's more than a bit lame, and the music's terrible, but don't care about them enough to hate.

same goes for Rednex and whoever did the Birdy Song any other novelty comedy act

Thomas, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Rednex are total harmless fluff. ICP, on the other hand, are really quite unpleasant.

chap, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link

ICP have made many valid contributions to the world of pro-wrestling, perhaps only third in the world of music to Cyndi Lauper and Billy Corgan.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Widespread Panic

Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

trolls are a part of Norwegian folklore, right? maybe it's just his culture.

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The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Citizen Cope?

St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Michael Bolton.

Thomas, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't hate him

Tom D., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Jamie Cullum?

Tom D., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Spin Doctors

baaderonixx, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Toploader?

2for25, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Toploader's a good one. Also, Jamiroquai?

chap, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm sure there's lots of ILMers who'll rep for some of Jamiroquai's stuff. Me for a start.

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link

First couple of singles were OK.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Aye, first Jamiroquai album wasn't too bad.

Toploader remain the worst band I have ever seen live.

ailsa, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Jamiroquai's done some OK stuff

Tom D., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link

There was definitely one Toploader song that I liked. I doubt there is anyone all ilm hates. But someone might not admit to owning an Il Divo album, but we know people do. Like my mum for instance. Although she's not a regular poster to the board.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Some people on here (me included) like Rednex just fine.

And there are definitely people who like a couple Spin Doctors singles. (There was a thread to that effect a couple weeks ago.)

I'm guessing lots of Americans here have no idea who Toploader are. Hard to hate something you never even heard of.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Celine Dion?

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link

"Achilles Heel"?

Oh, how can you hate TLoader, they are in the past! It's not like ol' curlybonce is running around you going "Hey, didja ever hear where we got the name from?"

Mark G, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link

La Celine is fine by me.

Where is that thread where (k*l*an) pretended to be "andy paltridge" and crossly extolled the virtues of "toploder" throughout?

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Jamiroquai's "Cosmic Girl" is wicked.

No metion for James Blunt yet? Doubt if he'll 'win' anyway.

DavidM, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah, found it.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:29 (sixteen years ago) link

"Toploader?"

Never heard of them, so can't hate them.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Blunt is a good one

Tom D., Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Toploader - Dancing in the Moonlight

Not that bad.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Nickelback?

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link

New Kids On The Block were far better than Westlife. Fact.

And what about James Blunt/Daniel Powter/etc?

zeus, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link

They're too mediocre to hate.

I didn't read all the posts. Kenny G?

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link

I liked Kenny G's work with Barry White, but yeah pretty downhill after that.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Actually I bet I'd like his early albums with Jeff Lorber as well.

Ned Trifle II, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Bands that EVERYONE hates

Nickelback have had their (partial) defenders on here lately.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Find a song on ILM that everybody HATES

xhuxk, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link

It's bound to be indie or metal judging by this thread

Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Can't find the act everyone likes thread. But if I could I would revive it and suggest Portishead.

chap, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 17:25 (sixteen years ago) link

there's no way you could find an indie band that everyone hates, or a metal band

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link


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