who was the first hardcore band?

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dan selzer, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:05 (twelve years ago) link

WE DON NEED NO TV
WE DON NEED NO PICTURESHO
WE DON NEED NO ANYTHIN
WE DON WANNA NO!

Mark G, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

The "I Gotta Right" single nails some hardcore touchstones.

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:09 (twelve years ago) link

I'm listening to Budgie's self-titled album from 1971, and "Rape Of The Locks" has a lot of typical hardcore manoeuvres...

and

do I not get ANY love for the Outsiders as hardcore? Go listen to the Man On the Dune...the speed, the breakdown...it's uncanny!


But isnt hardcore more than just a style of music? Or the way it sounds?

Tinky-Winky, Thursday, 26 April 2007 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

it's CB's matinees with Judge and Gorilla Biscuits!

seriously, like any genre I'm sure it means all kind of special things to different people, I'm not saying the Outsiders invented hardcore...and I'm gonna guess that neither the Middle Class nor the Germs nor Black Flag nor Bad Brains sat around and studied the Outsiders (though you never know...) I'm JUST SAYIN that that old song from 1968 sounds uncannily like some hardcore sounded in the early 80s.

dan selzer, Thursday, 26 April 2007 17:14 (twelve years ago) link

Perhaps perversely, I'd really like to hear some knowledgable guitar-players pick apart the musical and strong-structural elements of hardcore and where they came from. Metal dudes do this sort of thing so much better.

Discussion of what hardcore means and meant, on the other hand, leads directly into the endless ILM 'IS PUNK DEAD?' tag-team smackdown.

Soukesian, Thursday, 26 April 2007 17:53 (twelve years ago) link

The most obvious characteristic of hardcore is the agressive tempo of the guitar strumming. The drums were fast as firecrackers as well.

BTW, punk isnt dead, but it is totally irrelevent in today's corporate consumer culture.

Tinky-Winky, Saturday, 28 April 2007 00:24 (twelve years ago) link

but we all agree it was the Outsiders now that I've shared it, right?

dan selzer, Saturday, 28 April 2007 02:21 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.hardcorehalloffame.com/main.html

m coleman, Saturday, 28 April 2007 12:32 (twelve years ago) link

BTW, punk isnt dead, but it is totally irrelevent in today's corporate consumer culture.

huh? whenever I hear the local top 40 radio station, they're usually playing hip-hop and pop-punk

12XU must be a key track in hardcore history (covered by bad Brains, Minor threat etc)

todd, Saturday, 28 April 2007 14:46 (twelve years ago) link

wow! something to watch on Queens public access!

dan selzer, Saturday, 28 April 2007 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

eleven years pass...

12XU must be a key track in hardcore history (covered by bad Brains, Minor threat etc)

i was searching for a hardcore thread to revive, related to this.

does anyone know about the origins of "ONE TWO FUCK YOU!" as a way to start a song? was it an homage to Wire's 1 2 X U (1977)? or was it just a way to kick off a song that was inevitable at some point?

Karl Malone, Thursday, 10 January 2019 05:09 (eleven months ago) link

do I not get ANY love for the Outsiders as hardcore? Go listen to the Man On the Dune...the speed, the breakdown...it's uncanny!
― dan selzer, Thursday, 26 April 2007 06:00 (eleven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he's not wrong!

Terry Major-Ball Will Tell You (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 10 January 2019 08:52 (eleven months ago) link

wrt Wire I had it in my head that the 'X' of the title was a stand-in for 'fuck' but not sure I can back this up

Terry Major-Ball Will Tell You (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 10 January 2019 08:54 (eleven months ago) link

BTW, punk isnt dead, but it is totally irrelevent in today's corporate consumer culture. 

huh? whenever I hear the local top 40 radio station, they're usually playing hip-hop and pop-punk
2019, ""punk is dead" is dead" is dead

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 10 January 2019 09:09 (eleven months ago) link

Orange County's Middle Class, I believe

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 10 January 2019 22:17 (eleven months ago) link


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