NME Top 100 British Albums Ever List

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I looked at the magazine in tesco's yesterday. I only skimmed it though, the graphic design of it renders it nearly unreadable. They must have got the designer from "bang" in after "bang" folded. If I'd read it all I'd have got a headache.

Nothing about it (the list) is very surprising, really, is it?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 26 January 2006 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

There's some good things about the list - Zombies as high as #32 is good. Black Sabbath, Eno, Redskins are slight surprises. Why is Dare a 'forgotten gem'?

Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 09:55 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not THAT bad list it could have been. OK, no excuse for the Coldplay albums, and Arctic Monkeys in the Top 5, and so on, but the most of the albums listed are good. FULL STOP

Are The Undertones count Irish too?

zeus (zeus), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:23 (eighteen years ago) link

NME are Winston Smith in 1984, rewriting history to justify the present.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:24 (eighteen years ago) link

To be fair (I know, God forbid) every list rewrites history, every new album reconfigures the music that went before, nicht war?

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Zeus, the Undertones are from Northern Ireland so they would fit in this list.

Deluxe (Damian), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Right Blur album.
Wrong Clash album.
Both 'Stones albums are the wrong ones.
WTF are Antony & The Johnsons doing in there? He's a bleedin' Septic innee?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Born in Cirencester.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:42 (eighteen years ago) link

There's two Clash albums on that list.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Wrong Buzzcocks album. Joy Div albums wrong way round.

Also Hunky Dory as Bowie's best - uh? ( for me would come after Low/Heroes/Station/Ziggy/Lodger/Dogs/Young Americans/Aladdin in some sort of order)

Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"Born in Cirencester."

I bow to your superior knowledge. Nevertheless 'though (according to AMG) he grew up in California and relocated to New York; but the name of the band and the guests he has on the album (Rufus Wainwright, Devendra Banhart, Lou "New York" Reed) are hardly condsive to producing something quintessentially British, are they?

"There's two Clash albums on that list."

Bugger, you're right, of course. OK then, the 1st / s/t one's OK; but London Calling most definitely isn't.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:56 (eighteen years ago) link

"Also Hunky Dory as Bowie's best - uh?"

I don't think it's necessarily supposed to be his best, merely his most British.... although, re-reading the rest of the list, maybe I'm assuming that the NME editorship would have actually bothered to give the subject a little bit of thought, when in fact this clearly isn't the case.... nevertheless, his most British album by absolute miles must surely be his 1st / self-titled / (aka) Love Me 'Til Tuesday?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Excuse me, folks, but what else do you expect from the NM-fuckin'-E but dumb list shit?

This is NME shit by numbers, pure and simple. CLOSE THREAD!

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:10 (eighteen years ago) link

wtfever to most of the list but i didn't think it was possible to write women out of pop music history even more than these lists normally do! and this has somehow done that!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Lists are what make ILM special...

Some of the defenders are right, there are good albums but no thought was put behind the order. I posted which decade these albums came out in for a reason. Rock was new in the 60's going into the 70’s so the best albums where from that period, period. There is no way the 90’s deserve 31 spots with the 2000’s having 15 spots so far (Kasier Chiefs?), so by the end this decade it will be the best decade ever? If you are a writer for a major publication, no matter how much you like the AM album, number 5 compared to history is ridiculous.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Rock was new in the 60's going into the 70’s so the best albums where from that period, period.

That's a really bad argument. Best novels = written in 1740s? Best paintings = done on cave walls? Best movies = 5 minutes of a bloke washing a horse?

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link

(x-post to Lex)

True. Siouxsie (The Scream) should be in, along with The Raincoats (either s/t or Odyshape), The Slits maybe. Spice Girls? Who else?

Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Dusty perhaps? Sandy Denny w/ Fairport definitely.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know if it's that bad of an argument. I absolutely love new music it is what feeds my addiction but when I hear something like {fill in so many blanks} today's music cannot compare to what has already been done. My favorite album of the last five years or so is Funeral but if I put it up against Blonde on Blonde, Astral
Weeks, Ziggy Stardust
or even something 80’s like Darklands it's hard for me to defend the newer stuff. This is all personal opinion, which should be taken with a gain of salt of course.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Wonder if this will spur someone into getting Jehovahkill reissued? Is is still OOP isn't it?

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Sure, it wasn't your taste I was querying, just the idea that older automatically equals better.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Having said that, first Teardrop Explodes is still a better record. (x-post)

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait there, no Astral Weeks? Wuh!

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

xxxpost. I thought of Dusty immediately but what LP. Dusty In Memphis and the Gamble and Huff stuff after it are her best I reckon, but hardly 'British'. Maybe A Girl Called Dusty or Dusty Definitely?

XTC should be in there : Black Sea prob. GO2 is better.

xpost Teardrop Explodes - YES!

Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Apart from Loveless, which is a contentious geographical choice, the absence of Dusty In Memphis and Astral Weeks (he's from Belfast innit?) is appalling.
Still, the NME's Monkeys better than Beatles marketing ploy has worked. The Guardian has fallen for it hook, line and sinker. Even though they acknowledge this, they've still been hooked.
*Steve Sutherland sits rubbing his palms and cackling evilly.*

stew!, Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:54 (eighteen years ago) link

No T-Rex! :o(

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:12 (eighteen years ago) link

No T-Rex! :o(

OT(fucking)M

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link

'Remedy' is the best British album of the last 20 years.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the attempts to try and see the sense in this collection.

It's bullshit, undeserving of respect or serious consideration.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

The lack of OK Computer in the top 20 and the preponderance of britpop suggests to me that NME are going through one of their pro "classic song" cycles - is this correct?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

No Ian Dury.... in fact I don't think there's any Pub Rock at all unless you include Elvis Costello.
No Traffic.
No Yardbirds.
No Cream.
No Syd Barrett / Pink Floyd (surely Piper At The Gates Of Dawn...?)
No Kevin Ayers / Robert Wyatt / Soft Machine.
No Caravan.
No Gong.
No Fairport Convention.
No Chieftains.
No Pogues.
No Donovan.
No Incredible String Band.
No Steeleye Span.
No Bert Jansch.
No Ewan MacColl.
No John Martyn.
No Ralph McTell.
No Strawbs.
No Barclay James Harvest.

It's not looking good, is it?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks fandango, but we'll do as we like.

The built-in redundancy of these lists drives me nuts. It HAS to be one artist-one album. I mean what is the sense in having two Pulp, two Swide and two of the 'britpop' Blur albums in there, when so little new ground is covered between each pair. They're all shit records anyway, but forgodsake CHOOSE between them Likewise Led Zep II and IV. I can see the sense in Bowie having say Ziggy and Low in there, maybe...but not Ziggy and Hunky Dory.

I'd have Soft Machine, Cream, Buggles, Yardbirds, Adverts, Sandie Shaw, The Move, Leftfield, Floyd in there.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh You beat me to it with some of those, Stew.

Kirsty McColl.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:47 (eighteen years ago) link

That's the way it's slanted, yes.

Actually, I haven't really read it in so long I don't know if they're being as bullish as they were in the Britpop years w/r/t sidelining all other music that is not guitar-pop-rock in origin.

It's more that they're just (as Nick put it) re-writing history via ommission of all that "other" stuff (electronics, women, black music) and hoping it's readers are dumb enough not to notice.

I actually feel like they've gone too far with it for even the stereotypical 17 year old in Doncaster not to feel like their intelligence is being insulted this time... but time will tell!

xpost - Dr.C, I'm probably just trying to convince myself (and it hasn't worked) that this list is irrelevant, and doesn't need dissecting. Trust me it gets my goat too!!

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

It's bullshit, undeserving of respect or serious consideration.

I'm not sure of all of that.

They have some major flaw, some of which these post have pointed out but to totally dismiss all of it is rather hollow.

They realize the brillance of Super Furry Animals but forgot the Boo Raldeys so I have some major concerns to do dismiss the whole is list is a cop out, IMO.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost - my reply was for Tim Finney oops

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

The Boo Radleys

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

-- BeeOK, yes there are indeed good albums on the list!

But when the methodology has been so transparently rigged... The whole thing loses a credibility which is kind of important to your (my) belief in the honesty of the process.

I mean the Q list makes more 'sense' than this, and the bias is understandable because it's a naturally occuring one. This NME list is like a political statement.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

But when the methodology has been so transparently rigged... The whole thing loses a credibility which is kind of important to your (my) belief in the honesty of the process.

We are coming from the same place, just going about it differently.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

A list ought to be a political statement, if it's anything at all. Think of Johnny Rotten's "Hates/Loves" t-shirt or the Nurse With Wound list. The problem here is the NME is making a depressingly conservative, reactionary statement.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I believe we've been gerrymandered.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

No Talk Talk.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I was only really expecting a very conservative list. But even as such it's totally flawed as far as choices go. Great seeing stuff like Spacemen 3 and the Pretty Things in there, worthy or not, but all those redundant Britpop entries that Dr C. pointed out are plain idiotic.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

No Orange Juice 'You Can't Hide Your Love Forever', no Pentangle 'Basket Of Light', no Belle and Sebastian 'If You're Feeling Sinister'.

RUBBISH.

beaux knee (boney), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't mind talking about the NME. However dire it's become, it still represents some kind of force in music fandom. It's not like I'm gonna buy the thing.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

funnily i thought the Boo Radleys as well.

No John Martyn either.

No pop either...

seems british means... things twenty something men like or were told to like.

Danny boy, Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I was trying to say the same thing by saying it is rather 90's heavy.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Have *we* done a British albums poll to settle things for once and for all?

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

xposts - The problem here is the NME is making a depressingly conservative, reactionary statement.

Obvious, but OTM (and the rest of it too).

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link


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