Glenn Branca , The Ascension: Classic or Dud?

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Just darting in quickly to again yell ditto re: this music is live, loses lots in any recorded form. Branca's medium is those towers of open E strings, and even 20 open E's on 5 guitars have a physical effect on air pressure that two speakers don't replicate well.

My sense is that Branca picked up on Rhys Chatham in a tortured, forbidden, Aerosmith-driven outlaw way. There seems to be a social line in the sand by people who were around back then.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 12 January 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

I really liked Lesson #1 then i got the Ascension Lp and it was not as good to the 12" :-(

Jens (brighter), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:35 (twenty years ago) link

"Magic Fly" on Felix Da Housecat Kittenz and thee Glitz.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago) link

Really Jens? I'm suprised, Lesson #1 definately has a bit of catchier hook and all, but I think it lacks the power of the Ascension. Also, technically, it wasn't recorded as well, but knowing some of the music you like, I doubt that's a substantial criteria! Anyway, I finished the layout of the Lesson #1 CD last night. Bad Smells is a cool piece, as a dance piece it has all these different parts and bridges some of the gaps of his styles, ambient passages, almost funky passages, triumphant rock passages, dissonant passages, etc. The Symphony 5 video is cool to watch, Alan's liners are cool, there's a few neat photos including an action shot of the guy playing the Sledgehammer for Dissonance from Lesson #1. Wait, is this I Love Music or I Love Selling Records?

But you should have the Ascension CD, if only for the 2 minute clip of Glenn solo in 1979. It's really cool.

I'm gonna get all versions of Magic Fly and make a mega-mix!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:06 (twenty years ago) link

Saw Theoretical Girls in 1978, I think at the X Magazine benefit at the La Mama auxiliary space on 4th St. Totally awesome. At the time (knowing nothing about them) I decided that they were like the Ramones played through an electric blender, but of course they rocked - and swung! - way better than the Ramones. The room was dancing crazy, people were swinging from imaginary chandeliers, helicopters were exploding, giraffes went into sexual frenzies. Saw T. Girls at an art space a few months later, hoping to repeat the experience, and was very disappointed. They were making beautiful music, overtones and fucking wind chimes and shit (well, they didn't use wind chimes, but that's what it felt like; shiver).

Didn't follow much of the artists' subsequent history. Thought Lesson Number One was pedantic (or anyway drove the point or the nail into the ground), but I heard it through shitty speakers. But then again, hip-hop sounds great on a clock radio, and if... well, it may well be that the live stuff was the best, just as it may be that I'm best in conversation, but doesn't one have a responsibility to adapt to one's medium, rather than to say, "We'll do what we did live"? (Not that this is a comment on these people's records, few of which I've heard.)

No New York is in desperate need of a remix.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

But not with Busta, please.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:19 (twenty years ago) link

I know Weasel Walter's giving up on the No Wave history and all, but as I will soon put the Acute website up, will need to quote you. I've seen the original poster, you don't hear much about the X Magazine benefit, but it sounds like ground zero. Theoretical Girls, DNA, The Contortions, the Erasers, maybe Daily Life, I can't remember. I have a framed poster over my TV of a spare from a show at the Kitchen, T'Girls, the Gynaecologists(Rhys Chatham and Nina Canal and...) Daily Life (Glenn and Barbara Ess) and Arsenal(???) Please tell us more about the X Magazine benefit....

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:24 (twenty years ago) link

and to take up your question...I think there's a big difference between the production of of hip-hop and rock, especially avant-post-minimalist-pseudo-classical-noiseâ„¢ rock. Hip Hop is mastered a cerain way and the radio stations that play it have all kinds of compressors and exciters, all to make sure it sounds good on a clock radio. But assume it's a given that Glenn's music is meant to be heard live, which is why Lee Ranaldo makes apologies for the Ascension in his liner notes to the Acute reissue, that they tried to engineer it for maximum kick-ass-ness, but where unable to replicate the sound. I assume if Lee were to re-record the Ascension now, he'd put 2 mics in a room and let the band rip, instead of close-micing the amps.

But even if hip-hop sounds good coming out of your clock speaker, it'd probably sound better coming out of a jeep.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:34 (twenty years ago) link

my brother has been playing with Barbara Ess lately. However, I'm still waiting for the definitive history of The Aural Exciters.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

see frank now some 'busta' with no new york would be hard to beat (well, old issues of 'why music sucks?' might be better ;)).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:36 (twenty years ago) link

I'm assuming there isn't gonna be one. Why would Ze put out that EP with the same cover as the LP but only 4 songs? Maybe they have a CD coming w/ everything? I have the LP and the My Boy Lollipop 12".

I know Barbara was teaching photo at Bard for a while, and supposedly also lives in my neighborhood.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, Dan, most of that show is gone from my memory bank. For instance, I'd forgotten altogether that DNA was on the bill, though they may well be the reason I went, as I was friends with Robin Crutchfield, their keyb. player, and I'd liked them when I'd caught them at Max's about a month before. Robin and I worked at the Strand Book Store. My friend Bob Galipeau, who worked there in shipping - Robin was in typing - had told me, "Robin's great when he plays. He looks just like he's typing."

The X Benefit was underway when I arrived - Theoretical Girls were already up. Earlier in the evening I'd gone with Kathy Nathanson (Strand, social sciences) to see Lou Reed at the Bottom Line. That was a very distanced experience in every way, like sitting in an exclusive theatre. During the long wait, these two guys behind us were having a loud, boring conversation about hockey, then Lou came on (near the release of Street Hassle, I think) and was singing in a deliberately wanky voice I'd never heard from him, as if he didn't want to sound tough anymore, which might have been an admirable personal choice but wasn't good for his music. Kathy and I tramped over to the East Village after that, to La Mama's, Theoretical Girls were rocking out. I can't add anything to my description, except that I recall their doing the white-shirts-with-rolled-up-sleeves things - maybe that's how they dressed in their day jobs, assuming they worked for Existentialist Gas & Electric, digging underground cables - and they didn't seem to have any go-go dancers or manicurists on their payroll. If I saw DNA that night, I don't remember it. I do remember the Contortions: this was the first I'd heard of them. They moved the beat - I remember that. James seemed like an asshole, saying hostile things with no apparent provocation. The music danced all right, but I didn't get it, sounded like a jumbled noise stew. Really, it wasn't until the third time I saw them that my brain and my body figured out how to hear them and how powerful they were. What I recall from the La Mama night was the motion of the music and that an incensed, crazed guy in leather was heading towards James to do him damage, and Jody stepped in between, brandishing his guitar like an axe, to protect James. (A year later, Jody probably'd have stepped aside and let James get creamed.) Adele threw a cup of water at the leather psycho. Bob told me the next day that everyone in the Contortions should have been shot, including Jody - especially Jody. But eventually we all became fans.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

thanks for sharing...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 01:23 (twenty years ago) link

I have the LP and the My Boy Lollipop 12".

yeah, me too, and i cherish them. more than my branca records sad to say. but i meant a written history. or a history of ze. or maybe there is one. i just haven't seen it.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 01:35 (twenty years ago) link

Bob Blank, the lost link between no wave and disco and montel williams:

http://www.blankproductions.com/bios/bblank.htm

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 01:47 (twenty years ago) link

I want to live in Dan's brain for a while.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 02:12 (twenty years ago) link

you can have it...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 03:30 (twenty years ago) link

Would you like it returned dry-cleaned?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 03:33 (twenty years ago) link

no. keep it. I don't want it. it's a waste of time.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 03:52 (twenty years ago) link

But the autotonic nervous system!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 03:54 (twenty years ago) link

(I haven't heard this one. I really like the 5th symphony, which I listened to last week. It's underrated.)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 03:59 (twenty years ago) link

overrated.

the autotonic nervous system, that is. Not the Ascension or Lesson No. 1.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 04:07 (twenty years ago) link

A vision!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 04:08 (twenty years ago) link

Geez, Frank (going back to Frank), you didn't mention Beirut Slump! "The world will not long remember..." etc.

Fontaine Fox (Methuselah), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 06:11 (twenty years ago) link

Hey Frank, maybe this will jog your memories...

http://www.acuterecords.com/XmagBen.jpg

I think I scanned that thing in like 4 pieces and stitched it together in photoshop.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 06:45 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
I hadn't heard it until this week, but "Lesson No. 1" is truly amazing - a revelation for me.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Pretty grand, isn't it? I really must get the reissue at long last.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll send you one Ned, with the Desp Bikes. This week. Promise.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Aw, thanks. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I have a 60 minute tape fomr the X Magazine benefit with 20 minutes of DNA, 7 minutes of the Erasers and the full Contortions set.

the Grape, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

A recording of the Third Ascension just came out and it is highly recommended, was performed last night for the first time since his death on what would have been his 71st

https://glennbranca1.bandcamp.com/releases

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 7 October 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link

it really rips

global tetrahedron, Monday, 7 October 2019 22:16 (four years ago) link

it really does. played through this once so far and it was a pretty magical commute

gman59, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 00:36 (four years ago) link

Whoa nice! Just saw this, looking forward to checking it out. Branca an eternal influence for me.

grandavis, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 14:57 (four years ago) link

Oh wow, this rocks harder than I expected. A good listen.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 14:26 (four years ago) link

If you haven't heard it The Ascension:The Sequel from 2010 is similarly great

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link

Wow, "Cold Thing" is massive.

jmm, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link


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