JFK assassination: was any consensus ever reached as to who actually did it and why?

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Peter Dale Scott's book on Kennedy is really interesting

-- xave (sl...), September 14th, 2006.

Deep Politics and the Death of JFK?

i agree, it's an interesting read.

for me, the most plausible scenario is the one discussed in this book:

Live By the Sword by Gus Russo

it more or less argues for Oswald acting alone, but creates context for his motivations.

here's the forward from the book for good measure.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 14 September 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"The fact that many of the conspiracy theorists have been able to produce convincing evidence of their suspicions does not seem to trouble many people. The plausability of a conspiracy is less important to them than the implauability of someone as inconcequential as Oswald having the werewithal to kill someone as concequential — as poweful and well-guarded — as Kennedy. To accept that a random act of violence by an obscure malcontent could bring down the president of the United States is to acknowledge a chaotic, disorderly world that frightens most Americans. Believing that Oswald killed Kennedy is to concede, as New York Times columnist Anthony Lewis said, "that in this life there is often tragedy without reason"

Kennedy — An Unfinished Life, by Robert Dallek

You could also say much the same about 9/11.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Arse. That first line should say "have been UNABLE to produce evidence..."

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

someone as inconcequential as Oswald

The dude defected to the Soviet Union! Do people forget this? Also, some dude he was in the service with thought he was a fake commie working for the CIA to find real ones.

Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, some dude he was in the service with thought he was a fake commie working for the CIA to find real ones.

Kerry Thornley!

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, one of the best commentaries on the assassination came from the KGB. There was a "JFK's KGB files" special around the time of the 40th anniversary of the assassination that got into Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In short, the KGB thought he was a crazy plant from the CIA and fed him some useless stuff until they could kick him back out of the country.

Later, the KGB figured that Oswald acted with potential mob help, and that the CIA and FBI didn't care since Kennedy was out of their hair.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

don delillo's libra is absolutely essential on this topic. not as fact, certainly, but in the psychology of the thing.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Kerry Thornley = DISCORDIAN... scary though

Also the dude who wrote a BOOK about Oswald pre assasination!

Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Gear OTM here and on the 9/11 thread.

Teh littlest HoBBo (the pirate king), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

>"The fact that many of the conspiracy theorists have been able to >produce convincing evidence..."

Well, there's no convincing evidence for string theory, yet, and we're not giving up on that.

Berating conspiracy theorists for lacking evidence has always struck me as rather unscientific. You invent hypotheses and then gather evidence, right?, not the other way around. If you totally disregard hypotheses that lack evidence, no one would ever gather evidence and there'd be a moratorium on new ideas.

It's only been sixty years, and that's nuthin. Sometimes it takes centuries to solve a murder.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

yes the truth is that kennedy died on that u-boat

gear (gear), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

pt-103 whatever

gear (gear), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Ellroy's conclusion in "American Tabloid" - ie, *everybody* did it!

however, Squirrel Police OTFM about the scientific method

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Shakey you did NOT just agree with me. Say it ain't so!

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

"Don't you GET IT?!? DAMN! I can't keep talkin' like this! You guys are gonna kill ME! I'm gonna fuckin' DIE!!"

http://www.btinternet.com/~meirionhughes/Pub/images/jfk-peski.gif

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

45 years ago today

Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link

white album 40 yrs old vs JFK assassination 45 yrs old POLL

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link

In re: thread title question. The Warren Commission Report was meant to lay the basis for a national consensus.

Obv it failed in its stated purpose. But it came close enough that it achieved its major unstated purpose, which was to quell the national grief and anger and prevent it from spilling into irrational mob action.

Aimless, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link

JFK was an inside job - wake up, sheeple!

StanM, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Or maybe it wasn't and I'm mixing it up with that ninety-one one thing, I'm not sure.

StanM, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link

the gunman is shooting from inside his head!

velko, Saturday, 22 November 2008 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link

thats deep

Ant Attack.. (Ste), Saturday, 22 November 2008 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link

The Wrong Guy, a dark comedy starring Dave Foley, includes a scene of a conspiracy theorist claiming no bullet struck Kennedy, insisting "his head just did that", and calls it "The No Bullet Theory".

Grady: The Myspacee Password Expert (PappaWheelie V), Saturday, 22 November 2008 21:04 (fifteen years ago) link

OMG! Years later, people constructed urban legends based on that very JFK fact!

StanM, Saturday, 22 November 2008 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I forgot that the Weekly World News is no more.

u s steel, Sunday, 23 November 2008 14:31 (fifteen years ago) link

this should be a poll

Kevin Keller, Sunday, 23 November 2008 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m11iuxaeNV1qkuou9o1_1280.jpg

DavidM, Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

well, that's certainly something.

thomp, Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

its sad he was presidetn

j'en ai cache (darraghmac), Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

fighting morbid temptation to post on 'ws of shame' thread

thomp, Saturday, 14 April 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

the exit hole is obscured

I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

what is that photo? it cant be genuine as nobody was that close at that particular moment

PSOD (Ste), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

if it weren't for the fact that it occurred during JFK's assassination, that photo would be remembered as the best ass photo for a First Lady.

onibaba o'reilly (Eisbaer), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

JFK looks like he's hiding from the wrath of Jackie's ass.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

what is that photo? it cant be genuine as nobody was that close at that particular moment

― PSOD (Ste), Saturday, April 14, 2012 4:50 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah, this. it doesn't trip any photoshopping wires for me. what's the story? according to google, this image only shows up on tumblrs.

swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

I think it's fake, prob from a movie set or something?

swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link

I hate that I had to watch the zapruder film again, but by the time jackie is in that position, there's already a secret service dude clinging on the rear

swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

I think I see 'spring break 2009' tattooed on her leg

iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

jfk would have looked a lot messier than that tbbh

omar little, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

man, wikipedia shows too much

swaghand (dayo), Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link

I watched the old James Woods film True Believer last night. The character on whom the main story hinges adamantly believes that AT & T was behind the Kennedy assassination. Yes, it's played for laughs.

clemenza, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

I love that movie.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link

could it be a cindy sherman piece?

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 April 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link

that looks like a mannequin of jfk

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 14 April 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link

Onlookers wearing bell bottoms

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 15 April 2012 03:16 (twelve years ago) link

J Kennedy OnASSis

tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 15 April 2012 03:21 (twelve years ago) link

I think it's fake, prob from a movie set or something?

― swaghand (dayo), Saturday, April 14, 2012 5:03 PM Bookmark

Yeah, this. I'm thinking of Ant Farm's The Eternal Frame but I don't know that film well enough to be able to conclusively say if this is from that or not.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 15 April 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago) link

but it's clearly not the real thing, I mean everybody seems so nonchalant and the people in the background are in bell-bottoms for pete's sake.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 15 April 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link

They got the Dealey Plaza part right.

But that SS agent looks nothing like Clint Eastwood, sorry try again.

pplains, Sunday, 15 April 2012 03:57 (twelve years ago) link

the real lee harvey oswald

buzza, Sunday, 15 April 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link


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