Black Metal!

I kinda wish they stayed "serious." Their first EP and about half the stuff on Black Shining Leather seemed to promise something a little more interesting than a jokey party band with leftover Celtic Frost riffs.

Nattefrost made a better black metal GG Allin than that attention whore from Shining, anyway

yeah, "The Swordsmen" and "The Northern Hemisphere" are pretty amazing. Never dipped into the Nattefrost drug soup though.

otoh, SHUT UP THERE'S NO EXCUSE TO LIIIIIIIIVE

Carptathian Forest's "Journey Through the Cold Moors of Svarttjern" definitely fits in the vein of blackened, shrieky post-rock. Sounds like Royal Trux, Pink Reason, Bardo Pond etc.

Has anyone here read WOLVES AMONG SHEEP: HISTORY AND IDEOLOGY OF NATIONAL SOCIALIST BLACK METAL?

Don't know why I have such a strong interest in NSBM. I certainly don't hold those views but I always love art from polarized stances.

I always love art from polarized stances.

Please offer some non-Nazi examples of "art from polarized stances" that you love.

Tragedy Khadafi, Paris, Public Enemy, X Clan, Dead Prez... are a few on the rap side.

I'm currently listening to Jihadi Nasheeds which are quite beautiful and, problematically, the soundtrack to many violent ISIS videos.

plus a bunch of noise/power electronics that celebrates sexual violence: Grunt, Whitehouse, Taint, Macronympha, Atrax Morgue.

Again, not an advocate in the least of these positions but I believe all is fair in art.

also Bratmobile, Bikini Kill, Fifth Column, Mecca Normal, Kleenex,G.L.O.S.S., Huggy Bear.

also Bratmobile, Bikini Kill, Fifth Column, Mecca Normal, Kleenex,G.L.O.S.S., Huggy Bear.

uh

i guess in particular what parallels do you draw between, for example, bikini kill and huggy bear and burzum?

Good question, and one that I feared I'd not answer well. Bikini Kill and Huggy Bear are overtly anti-patriarchy, pro-feminist (which I do support) while Burzum seemingly comes from a place of potent emotion that's hard to locate without knowledge of his views outside music. Bikini Kill's "Feels Blind" immediately states it's intent. Huggy Bear's "Dissthenic Penetration" is more oblique but equally direct, and any Burzum song about Nordic blood seeping into the forest floor is obviously more inscrutable. Still, I love them all.

So...do you listen to music exclusively for philosophical reasons? Or do you ever just listen to music as sound that's been organized into patterns you find aesthetically pleasing?

I suppose the latter though I can't help but follow or read lyrics if they're in English.

"potent emotion"

that's what they call it now?

I suppose the latter though I can't help but follow or read lyrics if they're in English.

OK, I'm the exact opposite - I go out of my way to ignore lyrics, and frequently prefer instrumental music or music with lyrics in a language I don't speak.

if you mean 'they' in the gender-neutral sense of me then yes, that's what they call it now.

so, no one has read the book? no worries. i just bought it anyway. i'll quit muddying up the bm thread.

upper mississippi sh@kedown, i believe you missed the question of

"Please offer some non-Nazi examples of "art from polarized stances" that you love."

the following posts of mine were in response. i didn't mention riot grrl shit from nowhere, or to draw a line to burzum.

Would read that book, am not a Nazi.

Speaking of guys who are maybe too into Nietzsche, though, I have been enjoying Judas Iscariot's Distant In Solitary Night and it doesn't hurt that the last track is an ambient bit of bullshit that sounds like some slowed-down leftover from a Yahowa 13 album.

Shataan "Weigh of the Wolf" lp is incredible. Maybe too much clean singing for some but his bm growl is great. Plenty of flute, too. All the main BTC guys are involved.

Super-crude Luxembourgian occult black metal:

http://possessionproductions.bandcamp.com/album/lost-light-of-the-north

"Portal in the Woods" is the jam. Apparently these dudes have been around since 1996 and have the best black metal logo that could also be for a Wiccan candle company.

Would read that book, am not a Nazi.

― Lawsonomy Domine (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, November 3, 2016 1:33 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^

for those that care, i'm 200 pages in and the book is great. not exactly a condemnation nor a celebration of the politics but i'd imagine that anyone that would write nearly 600 pages on a subject wouldn't feel a certain sympathy to the subject. thankfully the endorsements therein speak only to the music and all the major players are given a voice. better than anything i've read on nsbm.

just discovered Judas Iscariot. wow

Right? Thought he was down with Jesus then BOOM! right up there with the end of s1 of Game of Thrones imo

That is funny HOWEVER xp check out Distant in Solitary Night if you haven't.

Also I picked up The True Werwolf reissue "Death Music" and gotta recommend it for fans of lo-fi, keyboard-accented orthodox black metal. It's the dude from Satanic Warmaster, so no surprise on the orthodox part.

yeah I heard Heaven In Flames and it was amazing and then I started listening to track 2 of Distant In Solitary Night and it was maybe even better but then I had to do something else :( will return to it

feels like this must be some of the best raw bm ever

He's really good. I think he might've been overlooked because A) he's American and B) he quit black metal before it gained a slightly wider fame than it had in the 90s.

I just got this today, Greek band that has a surface black/death sound but the guitarist has some great, weird ideas that remind me of Ved Buens Ende or early Winterblut. Discordant but not DSO-style discordant, snaking, knotty riffs and some clever use of effects and editing for some almost musique concrete moments (see Tree of Gifts Pt. 1).

http://fpr666.bandcamp.com/album/kult-of-taurus-divination-labyrinths

whoa this is very strange! i like it

Full on 1990s symphonic black metal stuff that offers little new but is still pretty exciting to my ears:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ihy_O22y3c

I mentioned Manes way upthread but whenever I listen to Under Ein Blodraud Maane I'm reminded of how good it is. There's something malevolent and weird about, great use of synthesizers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5rTB30BxlI

I guess "I'm reminded of how good it is" is like a dumb way to say "I'm reminded of how incredible it seemed back in the day and still does now" but it's late and I'm tired.

I think the demo versions of the songs from that album might be even better, seething and lo-fi, a fog of hiss and cheap keyboards debased into four-track madness. And there's still that kind of floaty, Thorns-esque sense of creepy melody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EykBbqLmvw

Through an unending burning fog of funeral tape hiss comes pure necro soundz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O-7kyIGJ1M

Think I prefer the "finished" version of that Manes track.

I think that album has some of the best production of its era for, tbh, I just like the demos because I'm a tape hiss freak I guess.

Here's one for the mi-go metal freaks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP0jj2G-u6o

☑️ Inquisition-style vocals delivered at seemingly random intervals
☑️ Opaque song structures
☑️ Garden sprinkler drum machines

:D

Love the way the first track just STOPS

Not joking

Haha I know. I was driving around listening to it for the first time and that happened and I waited about ten seconds before checking my player to make sure it hadn't run out of power.

Okay this is really good

http://stillaswe.bandcamp.com/album/ensamhetens-andar

It's got this weird blend of black metal and some Ved Buens Ende/Virus/Voivod proggy discordance that I *fucking love*. Their newer album is good, too, but the weirdness is much more subtle.

That primitive, slightly shambolic occulty Demoncy style stuff is what I'm feeling right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu9TPjbT5i0

I'm thinking of going to an upcoming Negura Bunget show, but I only have the Om album and I didnt fully get into it even though it sounds totally like my sort of thing.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, January 28, 2014 8:04 PM

Really enjoyed Virstele Pamintului, wonderful approach to black metal. Drumming track is amazing. Might return to Om again soon and see if it clicks this time.

I quite like the final two as well, Tău and ZI, which descend further still into folk. But Dardeduh's Dor de duh is their best album post-split. They premiered a new song in August, so I really hope there's another one in the works.

so i've been involuntarily going through a classic bm phase and i'm not really what you'd call a passionate fan of classic bm, it's just all i've wanted to listen to the past few weeks??? idgi. anyway it's given me opportunity to listen to a lot of records i haven't revisited in at least ten years so:

de mysteriis: this record kicks ass and seems to justify the whole thing on its own, nothing sounds like it, if most black metal sounds like it's taking place against a frozen cliff this is emanating from the inside of a mausoleum, the riffs and drums all rule
emperor/hordanes land: this is also an amazing document containing like all the potential in the world, when you put on the enslaved side you're basically in a forest
in the nightside eclipse: sounds just as great and beguiling and cold as it did my freshman year of college
hvis lyset tar oss and filofsem: not sure why i revisited these other they were still on my computer and i was a little curious. i'm trying not to let "fuck this nazi dork" infect my opinion of the classic burzum records bc it feels like an extratextual dismissal, but honestly, fuck this nazi dork, this stuff is so flimsy and it's a shame these are the top two black metal records on rym (not that it could be any other way)
diabolical fullmoon mysticism / pure holocaust / battles of the north: i had never actually spent time with battles of the north before and wow that thing literally sounds like snow whipping at your shitty rotten overcoat, i love it even if pure holocaust has better tunes. diabolical fullmoon underrated and so charming, i really love the early records that haven't seemed to totally given themselves over to black metal yet so there are still traces of thrash and death hanging out being gnarly in the mix

what exactly makes you not a fan of classic bm? too samey/monochromatic?

i've had a thing against black metal as a whole for years bc the seeming narrowness of its style drives me away from it, sometimes no matter how far out it gets it returns to that cycle of four-or-so tremolo'd-out chords wavering out of a cold blackness and it got very boring for me. i think maybe i'm unconsciously trying to challenge that assumption rn?

but also i say that and in the nightside eclipse was the first real metal record i ever got into, it's complicated

I thought you told me you had given up listening to metal