Um, I Think It's Time for a Thread on WikiLeaks

If we really are getting every mail sent to John Podesta from this period, there should be plenty of shit on bloggers so comfy that they participate in conference calls. Upthread you said we shouldn't judge the emails before the media had gotten through reading them, man alive, but now you think it's okay to speculate on people who aren't definitively implicated in this mail? People who have been harassed before, and will most certainly be harassed again due to this.

Naomi Klein even uses the same example of climate activism that has gotten me concerned and that I wrote about upthread :)

Somewhat coincidentally, I've had to remind lefty Assange fans that Wikileaks played a big part in passing around the climategate emails.

Jamil Smith disputes being in a call as well, btw.

Jessica Valenti just tweeted a bit of the sexist abuse she's received since this deceitful story went up. So avoidable, so foreseeable.

Ultimately she's more akin to an op-ed writer anyway and pretty clearly, one-sidedly pro-Hillary throughout the campaign. It's not like she reached out to the Sanders campaign for comment, as a reporter would.

Since nobody from either campaign is quoted as having commented to Valenti in the article that Norton cites as a GOTCHA, I'm super-curious as to how you imagine you know this?

WikiLeaks Verified account
‏@wikileaks

Mr. Assange is still alive and WikiLeaks is still publishing. We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point.

that was v. lol, alluded to it in the future of the internet thread

julian assange who loves the jews
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/789882885742419968

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvY8zqhWgAE7FZu.jpg:large

the term "LARPing" to refer to internet drama is such a useful distinction. after 9/11 at my yeshiva in staten island there were students talking about how they'd protect the building from terrorists and i realized that it was just bizarre roleplaying in the wake of difficult to process trauma. but LARPing is a kinda perfect [tho dismissive] summation of this escape into fantasy.

cold larpin'

https://mobile.twitter.com/prawn_meat/status/789359439014801408/photo/1

http://europe.newsweek.com/julian-assange-election-hacks-democratic-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-518469?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=http%3A%2F%2Feurope.newsweek.com%2Frss%2Fsocial

this was just the most insulting thing to read

This is why, irrespective of the outcome of the 2016 U.S. Presidential election, the real victor is the U.S. public, which is better informed as a result of our work.

you're a piece of garbage

Assange really puts the "ass" in ass-hat.

this fuckin guy

fuck you and die, Julian

WL had an AMA on reddit earlier today, trying to do damage control AND reaching out for donations... unreal.

yeah i got a question

why are we still sharing oxygen with you

fuck you and die, Julian

― frogbs, Wednesday, November 9, 2016 11:26 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u kno he's not reading this board right

this isn't his email address, its a messageboard

Ya, if you want him to read that, you're going to have to email it to Hillary.

so does he get credit when people start winning election coverage Pulitzers using all the leaked info?

and the pulitzer for best coverage of spirit cooking goes to

Lol. Because fuck Fahrenthold, clearly the intercept copy-pasting emails deserve the pulitzer.

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

yall really gonna hate wikileaks after reading this

The memo articulated a three-point strategy. Point 1 called for forcing “all Republican candidates to lock themselves into extreme conservative positions that will hurt them in a general election.”

At the time, there were more than a dozen Republican presidential candidates. The “variety of candidates is a positive here,” the Clinton campaign said.

“Many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right,” the memo noted.

“In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” the Clinton campaign wrote.

As examples of these “pied piper” candidates, the memo named Donald Trump — as well as Sen. Ted Cruz and Ben Carson).

Oh, I've been shaking my head for a while at this. You realize this is absolute bullshit, right, Adam? And you realize the reason for this, right? That a memo from april 2015 doesn't prove anything about autumn 2015, right? You do get how time works, right? You're not to dumb to get how time works, right?

Oh, and then there are all the details, how it doesn't say what Ben Norton says. But, like, a pretty easy one should be that april 2015 wasn't actually during the primary campaign, and time doesn't work like that.

Frederik is a timelord; listen

those emails are old news but also even when they Leaked it was old news, because the clinton campaign obviously considered trump's primary performance a best-case scenario for themselves regardless of how much ratfucking they actually did (i don't think they needed, at least, to do any). this makes them idiots who will go down in history forever as idiots, but there's lots of those.

Trump also constantly talked up Bernie Sanders. Every candidate ever wants the most extreme candidate for the other side. That's normal. Anyone surprised to find an email like this is a complete idiot. Anyone who believes this email shows that the Clinton campaign 'intentionally created' Trump is an even bigger idiot, who doesn't understand how time works.

Oh, I've been shaking my head for a while at this. You realize this is absolute bullshit, right, Adam? And you realize the reason for this, right? That a memo from april 2015 doesn't prove anything about autumn 2015, right? You do get how time works, right? You're not to dumb to get how time works, right?

Oh, and then there are all the details, how it doesn't say what Ben Norton says. But, like, a pretty easy one should be that april 2015 wasn't actually during the primary campaign, and time doesn't work like that.

― Frederik B, Friday, November 11, 2016 5:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so i checked about how time works and april sounds like its before autumn right, so it was a plan for a thing before the thing, which sounds like time is running, uh, forwards?

that's the right way for time to run right, idk, i get mixed up

this is good discussion, this is helpful, thanks

Actually, april is both before and after autumn, because the earth moves around the sun. And april is different from autumn, there are no days in april which are also in autumn, so documents from april doesn't prove what happened in autumn. Trust me on this, I've got a degree in history, ie. I am in fact a timelord.

april is autumn in the southern hemisphere, makes u think

Oh, okay. So it's like, the Clinton campaign was actually directed from Chile or something? Is this another one of Naomi Klein's theories?

Actually, april is both before and after autumn, because the earth moves around the sun. And april is different from autumn, there are no days in april which are also in autumn, so documents from april doesn't prove what happened in autumn. Trust me on this, I've got a degree in history, ie. I am in fact a timelord.

― Frederik B, Friday, November 11, 2016 11:37 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what is wrong with you

http://www.amfibi.directory/us/233758/image.jpg

those emails are old news but also even when they Leaked it was old news, because the clinton campaign obviously considered trump's primary performance a best-case scenario for themselves regardless of how much ratfucking they actually did (i don't think they needed, at least, to do any). this makes them idiots who will go down in history forever as idiots, but there's lots of those.

well yeah it doesn't need to be a conspiracy. it's a mundane reality. they were friends w him for 20 years (?) before this, Bill & him golfing buddies, no doubt they knew what buttons to push and how.

lol assange did an interview w/ sean hannity. "i believe every word he says" said hannity

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/817322050297745408

lol

why have the rest of wikileaks, if there is anyone else, not tossed assange out the door as spokesman

dude is the worst public face of an organization

wikileaks is about assange it is not about "radical transparency"

lol when ppl want u sacked from being head of your own personality cult

https://twitter.com/WLTaskForce/status/817431533183238144

Fuck these bros and anybody who doesn't realize that they are total scum

otm

the best thing they're doing right now is if somebody says "assange is a scumbag" they tweet a link to the "free julian assange" website so they can learn the REAL truth

Ethan Lawrence ‏@EthanDLawrence 3h3 hours ago

@WLTaskForce I think this plan is creepy, I think you're creepy and I hope someone breaks into your house and rearranges your sofa cushions.

http://bigstory.ap.org/4112d8fe79ec4cae8391359973382ac7

Gah:

http://www.factmag.com/2017/04/25/pj-harvey-justice-for-julian-assange-event/

Patti Smith, PJ Harvey, Laibach, Chomsky, Roy, etc, lining up for this.