the antonym of civilized is savage. there are definite connotations when you used the term civilized with reference to people of colour in the english language.
― *-* (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 October 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
angsplaining
they have a lot to 'splain for
― mh 😏, Friday, 21 October 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
Even then I see how the word might sound racist but context is important for it to sound racist and you implied terrible things to be honest. In your mind I was saying RZA is cool because he acts white while Azealia acts black. Like wtf you seriously thought that was what i was saying!?
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 21 October 2016 19:17 (seven years ago) link
not consciously
― mh 😏, Friday, 21 October 2016 19:19 (seven years ago) link
btw throughout all of this I'm thinking "man, Russell Crowe acted really restrained for an australian" so we all have biases to fight
― mh 😏, Friday, 21 October 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
Not unconsciously either I could have said the same thing about Russell Crowe and you wouldnt be calling me racist. I know what I meant you're not making me feel like I wronged anyone.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 21 October 2016 19:21 (seven years ago) link
And no I'm not biased because we dont think in terms of race in my country since we dont have racial struggles. We struggle with economic differences since the middle class is almost nonexistent and sexism (including homophobia in there) I know it's something that might sound unreal to you but yeah here you can be in a room with people of many colors and noone is actively thinking about it. We don't tiptoe around you'll know when someone wants to offend you and I have never in 30 years heard someone angry use racial slurs.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 21 October 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link
what magical unicorn of a country are you from that has literally zero racial struggles
― laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 21 October 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link
also mh no amt of reasoning is going to get through to moka if their definition of racism is "actively thinking about race" and "using racial slurs"
― laraaji p. henson (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 21 October 2016 19:46 (seven years ago) link
Alright then I'm a terrible racist, ban me and get this over with I'm bored with this conversation.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 21 October 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link
ok moka you are dumb this isn't a cultural difference
every country has racial struggles. and you're a hispanophone no? trying to think of the spanish speaking country that isn't deeply racist ... can't.
― *-* (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link
if you're in spain: my dad was called a sudaca when we were on holiday in spain when i was a child
if you're anywhere in latin america: I've heard anti-indigenous slurs in every latin american country I've been in
― *-* (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:06 (seven years ago) link
i just want to say i am sorry my love of five percent slang contributed to this
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link
come on this is better than discussing azealia banks
― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:15 (seven years ago) link
Literally anything is better than discussing azealia banks.
If you must know I was born in California, Spanish parents and raised in Mexico.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:18 (seven years ago) link
The majority of the race in Mexico is mixed so I honestly don't know anyone who thinks in terms of race in here. Homophobic slurs on the other hand are off the hook and you hear them mostly everyday but they've become so common that they've started to lose their original meaning like most of the other common insults like pendejo cabron pinche and such.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link
Many pejorative terms stop losing its original meaning depending on the context they're used. When you're already familiar with the person using a word like 'marica' or 'maricon' (originally used as effeminate) isn't particularly offensive depending on the context. In Peru, Mexico and Colombia nowadays it means 'coward' so it's lost its pejorative meaning.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
oh dear
― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link
lol
― k3vin k., Friday, 21 October 2016 20:31 (seven years ago) link
in chile it is used to mean coward, but also duplicitous, apt to maliciously instigate interpersonal drama. the fact that "gay" is used to mean these things is pejorative
― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:31 (seven years ago) link
No actually in venezuela or colombia, marica is a substitute for pana or 'dude'. The colombian friends I have all use marica between them without offensive context, 'que ha pasado marica?' is like saying 'what's up dude'. In Mexico it does mean coward so calling someone marica isn't particularly offensive but it does have a more negative connotation.
However really most insults in Spanish act very different than in English... it's not the words in here that are particularly offensive but the way they are used there's literally a popular book about the word 'verga' (cock) which is about all the different meanings insults in Spanish have depending on context.
Per example saying something 'Esta muy verga' literally translates as "it's very penis" but the meaning is actually "this is really cool" however saying "Esta de la verga" which roughly translates as "it's penis-y" means "it's awful".
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link
I've always liked "no me vale verga"
― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:42 (seven years ago) link
Like per example... going back to marica. In Mexico it does mean coward but it's not particularly offensive depending on the context. You can say 'Anda no seas marica' which translates as 'come on don't be a coward' but you can say it I dunno to a friend who is scared of doing something like getting on a rollercoaster or whatever. If you say for example "pinche marica" - pinche is another word that can mean a lot of things but it usually stands for low quality... in this instance it means 'fucking' so you're more or less saying 'you fucking pussy' and that's certainly offensive.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:42 (seven years ago) link
one thing I will take away from this conversation is the phrase "it's penis-y"
― ¶ (DJP), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link
Like per example... going back to marica. In Mexico it does mean coward but it's not particularly offensive depending on the context. You can say 'Anda no seas marica' which translates as 'come on don't be a coward' but you can say it I dunno to a friend who is scared of doing something like getting on a rollercoaster or whatever.
this is really common in the anglophone world - I'm from scotland and being told "don't be a poof" because you don't want to go out drinking or get on a roller coast or whatever is extremely common - and is considered offensive.
― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:46 (seven years ago) link
There's no translation for it so penis-y haha it's penis as an adjective but saying cocky is another meaning in english... spanish would be. 'se cree muy vergas' "he thinks he's the best"
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 21 October 2016 20:50 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/iFYeSMi.gif
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 21 October 2016 22:09 (seven years ago) link
bad RYMbre
― r|t|c, Saturday, 22 October 2016 10:36 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/UNIdbuU.jpg
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 10 November 2016 10:42 (seven years ago) link
Well, this was unexpected https://twitter.com/fauxdeity/status/814692805952077824
― Dan Worsley, Friday, 30 December 2016 14:43 (seven years ago) link
what in the hell
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 December 2016 17:48 (seven years ago) link
Must be fake her neighbors would have noticed the stench. It would even stick to her skin.
― dance cum rituals (Moka), Friday, 30 December 2016 17:50 (seven years ago) link
Why would azealia banks be sacrificing chickens?
― Treeship, Friday, 30 December 2016 18:20 (seven years ago) link
Why would azealia banks be [XXXXX]?
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 December 2016 18:27 (seven years ago) link
my first thought was Santeria
well okay, my first thought was "oh Azealiapaws" but eventually I got to Santeria
― ¶ (DJP), Friday, 30 December 2016 19:07 (seven years ago) link
she popped a cap in sancho
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 December 2016 20:00 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C07Zoo9XEAAxFUu.jpg
lmbo @ this in the replies
― r|t|c, Friday, 30 December 2016 21:40 (seven years ago) link
hehe
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 December 2016 21:58 (seven years ago) link
if you want to listen to rapping over house in a similar vein to Banks but without the unpleasantness of her character, the Tkay Maizda album is a perfect substitute
― boxedjoy, Sunday, 1 January 2017 10:18 (seven years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1466-op-ed-azealia-banks-and-the-double-standard-of-mental-illness/
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 22:51 (seven years ago) link
Playing Ram's Head Live in Baltimore on October 10th; thinking of going.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/news/azealia-banks-announces-tour/
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
disappointed she's not coming to Vancouver
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 04:15 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAtIGB2jiOk
her interpol cover is very good
― maura, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:49 (four years ago) link
i wanted to see what she'd been up to musically lately since this new ashnikko song is a total rip of 'heavy metal and reflective'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pfMiMdehaw
― maura, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link
we've all had fun at her expense but I'm really concerned for her at this point (if you don't know what I'm talking about, check her IG stories)
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Sunday, 9 August 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
had a look and not seeing anything that odd tbh, just her new hifi setup and her braces
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 9 August 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link
Stories, not the photo grid
― jaymc, Sunday, 9 August 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link
oh you have to wait twenty seconds to get past the first one.yes, that is very much not good at all
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 9 August 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link