The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

35 million people watched the debate last night on the network alone. I think that hardly counts as very few people watched it.x post

They don't actually feel that way about Trump, though. The working theory will be that forces conspired against him.

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OTOH, if the drunk dad fringe of the right wing now feels trump is just another fakey beta cuck with no balls, wtf does the next candidate bring?

Walks onstage nude except for Patton's old military helmet and Blackie Lawless's buzzsaw-blade codpiece?

(felt like this thread could use some random Trump interjections)

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35 million people watched the debate last night on the network alone. I think that hardly counts as very few people watched it

That's two-thirds less than the first debate, yes?

Trying to think if there's potential mileage in a Clinton campaign video contrasting Trump's present-day comments about and attitude toward Clinton with the gracious praise he heaps upon her in that interview from '08 that's making the rounds. It's as stark a contrast as the dueling positions he's taken on just about every other subject mentioned in his platform.

― I Can Thrill You More Than Elliott Gould Would Ever Dare Try (Old Lunch), Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:46 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Again for me the most fascinating thing about that video is how relatively coherently he speaks; how well spoken and reasonable he sounds (comparably) regardless of the content. I really feel like his focus has deteriorated over the years. Relentless campaigning probably doesn't help either.

he did a lot less sniffing this time around, for some reason

http://6dollarshirts.com/image/cache//data/designs/mouth_breather/mouthbreather/Mouthbreather-tnsq-300x300.jpg

supply ran out

if the drunk dad fringe of the right wing now feels trump is just another fakey beta cuck with no balls, wtf does the next candidate bring?

You rang?

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Idiocracy-President-570x267.png

Clickhole's debate stuff was killing it, btw

http://www.clickhole.com/article/punching-back-hillary-clinton-invited-access-holly-5023

http://www.clickhole.com/article/keeping-it-civil-chris-wallace-has-gun-his-head-an-5045

xposts The AV guys finally wised up and put sniffscreens on the mics.

35 million people watched the debate last night on the network alone. I think that hardly counts as very few people watched it
That's two-thirds less than the first debate, yes?

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, October 20, 2016 11:00 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'd imagine that's pretty normal? (in terms of attrition of viewership and just people's voting decisions except for the ken bone dipshits of the world are more baked in by time the third debate rolls around)

Indeed so.

I don't know if they have totals yet, but that 35 million number I saw was up from the last debate, and only includes viewership on the 4 networks. Not cable, not internet, not bars, not overseas, etc. Which is to say, minimum 35 million watched, but likely over 20 million more than that. So between 50-60 million.

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/tv-ratings-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-final-debate-1201895174/

did you guys post the Cracked thing already? i know, Cracked.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

It's been making the rounds. Not that different from the JD Vance interview from earlier this year.

feel like this is an important corrective to the cracked sentiments:
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/15/13286498/donald-trump-voters-race-economic-anxiety

yeah the Cracked thing is okay but it elides solid facts like this:

There is absolutely no evidence that Trump’s supporters, either in the primary or the general election, are disproportionately poor or working class. Exit polling from the primaries found that Trump voters made about as much as Ted Cruz voters, and significantly more than supporters of either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. Trump voters, FiveThirtyEight's Nate Silver found, had a median household income of $72,000, a fair bit higher than the $62,000 median household income for non-Hispanic whites in America.

A major study from Gallup's Jonathan Rothwell confirmed this. Trump support was correlated with higher, not lower, income, both among the population as a whole and among white people. Trump supporters were less likely to be unemployed or to have dropped out of the labor force. Areas with more manufacturing, or higher exposure to imports from China, were less likely to think favorably of Trump.

... for some less reliable armchair sociologizing

https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/789090575249125376

This GIF pretty much says it all.

― GUNSHOW POOPHOLE (Phil D.), Thursday, October 20, 2016 10:07 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This reminds me of Mark Harris's tweets the other day about how femmy Trump is:

‏@MarkHarrisNYC
Yeah, he's alpha, but the flying hands, the faces he pulls, the pursed lips, the head-wag and smirk after a one-liner: Very Paul Lynde.

yeah that vox piece is really good & important

Hey relax...it's all been settled.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/789144348222955521

Very Paul Lynde.

lol yes. The Bob Odenkirk/Don Pratt comparison also v apt

xpost Likewise, I very generously agree with everyone who thinks I'm right.

I'm glad you say that, Old Lunch, because I know you agree with me on all things.

Is Dicks Out for Bad Hombre a meme/tshirt yet?

― (rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:10 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Jeremy

Absolutely, Ned. As long as we're on the same page, we're in total agreement.

Bad ombre:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-epBXPUXhu4U/T43D7udvCrI/AAAAAAAAEZU/0Q5rnrDEBAM/s1600/20120415140744.jpg

Strange sanity from LePage, of all people

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/789142150319603713

https://twitter.com/katyperry/status/788909027539365888

lmao

Re: that cracked piece, I grew up in "red" rural Illinois just like the author, and I must say this section

But what I can say, from personal experience, is that the racism of my youth was always one step removed. I never saw a family member, friend, or classmate be mean to the actual black people we had in town. We worked with them, played video games with them, waved to them when they passed.

is just not accurate and totally tone-deaf. I mean, I'm sure the writer wasn't engaging in hate crime as a kid, but there was tons of racism where I grew up and it's laughable to suggest otherwise.

if the drunk dad fringe of the right wing now feels trump is just another fakey beta cuck with no balls, wtf does the next candidate bring?

Can Alex Jones be persuaded to run though?

If Hillary is chasing him maybe

Milo Yiannopolous

i know he can't but... that would be fun!

man the dum-dums dragging the Gore election back out are some really stupid, stupid people. Like how is that a gotcha, an election nobody has forgotten from sixteen years ago? Anybody who considers it a double standard already considered it one prior to last night.

they're gasping for air, have some mercy

personally i'm disappointed all we got from Trump was "she's such a nasty woman," i guess we were being optimistic when we thought he'd whip out bitch or cunt at the debates

also notable about Trump's comments upthread saying he'd accept "if he won" is he expanded to say he would accept the results of a "clear result", but that he reserved the right to pursue legal action if there was a 'questionable' one. Some in his camp will be rushing to say "see, this is what he meant yesterday, and isn't that reasonable", but you can't really trot out the "clear vs questionable" rubric as 'reasonable' in this context when he has previously made comments indicating weird binaries like "If I lose Pennsylvania, that proves it is rigged" or "there are some precincts where Mitt Romney got zero votes" (this is not actually uncommon).

I guess some will ask "well how could he have answered the question satisfactorily, and really the answer is, if he was a good candidate, he wouldn't have been asked it at all because the only reason he was asked it is because he keeps saying "rigged, rigged, rigged". But the best answer he *could* have given would have been "I will abide by any result". the idea that a candidate could contest results/request recounts for questionable results is already known, and that's not the context the question is given in.

A conditional response would kinda be like answering the question "Can you meet me for lunch tomorrow" by saying "well, I plan to, however it's contingent on me not dying in a car wreck or taking ill, so I don't want to firmly commit just yet".

I fail to see the similarity between Trump questioning the fairness of the entire election process three weeks before the election, and both Bush and Gore jockeying over the fairness of various attempts to certify a winner in a single state where the candidates were separated by about 500 votes out of several million votes cast, when that one state's results would determine who won the presidency. But, hey, that's just me.

so apparently a federal judge in Ohio ruled that 2 mill voters were illegally purged from the rolls and they will be allowed to cast provisional ballots in Nov?

was kinda hoping hillary might do that *wrong* thing into the microphone like donald does. that would have been funny. she seemed like she was in the mood to do something like that. she could have done it for 90 minutes. he's wrong a lot.

i was hoping she'd say "Sphincter says what?"

Back to back, heart to heart: http://www.luckytv.nl/back-to-back-heart-to-heart/ (click the vid)

i still can't get over the whole putin thing. that was gold. i can't believe donald thought it was a slam to say that putin doesn't respect her! that's so bizarre. everyone hates putin.

the whole Putin thing seems like the easiest negative press to avoid and yet he has bungled it every time, right down to the refusal to accept the intelligence debriefings about their hacks.

almost as if he has an earpiece and Putin's in his ear going "nuh uh uhhhhhhhhhhh"

Maybe Putin's the one who's got all the real dirt on him.

i'm trying to figure out to what extent his putin thing is based on genuine admiration for authoritarianism, what part is playing to potential russian investors/busines interest, and what part is the influence of advisers

i still keep running through the doomsday scenario that would be the russians actually hacking the election, trump winning, and then hillary having to advance the claim that it was rigged