a lot of people thought chicago had better pieces than boston at the time - tho i agreed w/minnesota taking the deal w/the most promising player in it - prob a lot of people didnt realize how good jefferson was since he played on such a crappy team
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:03 (ten years ago) link
Is Al Jefferson good, or is he the new Shareef Abdur-Rahim/Elton Brand, piling up stats on bad teams? Obviously he's never had a truly good team around him, and he seems like a good dude, but it just makes me wonder.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:05 (ten years ago) link
What was Chicago offering at the time? Deng? Gordon haha?
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:07 (ten years ago) link
Nah Jefferson (and Brand) is much better than Abdur-Rahim was. Wow Brand's really quickly gone from All Star to mediocrity in peoples' eyes, hasn't he?
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:12 (ten years ago) link
Admittedly getting hurt all the time will do that to your perceived value.
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:13 (ten years ago) link
i dont think jeffersons best player on a championship team good - cause his d is only middling - but i do think hes like multiple all star type good - second best guy on a title team good
i somewhat take issue w/the whole good stats on a bad team concept cause usually those guys dont actually have good stats - like they score a ton of points but have a bad fg% tons tos and play no D and maybe they grab a some boards cause no one else on their team can rebound - SAR fits that bill - tho elton brand imo was a legit dominant player - hes just all fucked up and in the hospital and shit now - and some of his clippers teams were totally dece
i dont know that anyone knew exactly what chicago offered but yeah they had a bunch of young guys and some draft picks - ty thomas was def in the mix w/those two guys u mentioned
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 23 April 2009 23:13 (ten years ago) link
one thing i'll trust bill simmons' opinion is boston sports, and he harps so much on the profound effect that kg, allen and pierce had on rondo that i wonder if he had been on a team w/ durant and jefferson if he would've developed like he has. and even beyond the mental part of the game, obv having three talents like that allowed for him some breathing room, allowed for him to concentrate on D, makes it easier for him to get to the basket etc etc
― pleasure p (J0rdan S.), Friday, 24 April 2009 00:04 (ten years ago) link
Rondo has 16 pt 8 rebounds at the half, dude is amazing.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, 24 April 2009 01:26 (ten years ago) link
dude is having one heck of a series so far
― 6335, Friday, 24 April 2009 01:57 (ten years ago) link
he got carried off the court at the end of the game. wtf. anybody know what it is? hopefully just a cramp.
― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 24 April 2009 02:45 (ten years ago) link
"bottom of my feet were hurting" he just said.
― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 24 April 2009 02:48 (ten years ago) link
― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 24 April 2009 03:10 (ten years ago) link
― Dr. Phil, Friday, 24 April 2009 03:31 (ten years ago) link
one thing i'll trust bill simmons' opinion is boston sports, and he harps so much on the profound effect that kg, allen and pierce had on rondo
i'm as suspicious of intangibles in sports as anybody, and i will say forever to anyone who will listen that it is impossible to understate the effect that kg had on the celtics as a franchise. rondo, perk, big baby, and pierce (that is just the definite 100% shortlist) were profoundly affected by him.
as fun as it is to consider various rondo/jefferson/other cool dudes scenarios such a team would get absolutely obliterated by a team like cleveland imo.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 24 April 2009 03:59 (ten years ago) link
now theyd be obliterated - in the future theyd be playing ok city staring other kevin durant for the title
― ice cr?m, Friday, 24 April 2009 04:47 (ten years ago) link
and mentorship can have a profound impact def - but the problem w/gaming the scenario is u hav no idea what sort of people and environments rondo wouldve encountered otherwise and what his reaction wouldve been to them - theres def some value over replacement mentor calculus happening but ehhhhh imo
its mostly a giant tautology - the main impact garnett has had on the celtics is that hes really good as basketball - u can see this effect now when hes injured and not playing but still around to yell at people and the celtics are much worse - like i said on the good player/bad team thread w/paul pierce part of it is people having to invent a story to compensate for underrating garnett all those years cause his teams didnt win
― ice cr?m, Friday, 24 April 2009 04:54 (ten years ago) link
i don't even know if i agree w/this. you generally win in the nba by having a top 3 player, a couple top 20 players, and/or playing elite defense. would a rondo/jefferson team have ended up fitting one of those molds? possibly, but not too sure.
re: mentoring i totally hear you and agree to a large extent, but it's hard to fully state how much things changed when garnett arrived--from the players to the coaches/front office to the media to the fans. this didn't happen when pierce reupped w/boston, and sure as hell didn't happen when they traded for ray (a move which was generally met with suspicion). i don't know what other player would have such a transformative effect. look at perk--three years ago he was a soft, slightly reticent project big man, now he's one of the toughest interior defenders in the league, a pro trash talker and scary dude. per anything i've ever read that's pretty much all kg.
when you mention garnett's losing teams you are actually getting at some of the irony of him. while he is really good at basketball, especially defense, he is not really an elite offensive player. the effects that he has had on this team are all defense and "intangibles."
― call all destroyer, Friday, 24 April 2009 13:30 (ten years ago) link
i completely disagree w/yr pre garnett perk characterization - his big improvement has been to cut down on fouling - he matured def but the potential was always there
not sure how yr defining intangibles here but its seemingly quite broad - more accurate to say that garnet is a v good scorer and world class at everything else - imo scoring/defense/intangibles isnt really an accurate way to look at a player
anyway not sure exactly what yr point there is - garnetts teams lost cause the other players besides him sucked - big exception was the cassell/sprewell team which had a v good shot at taking the title until cassell got injured in the conference finals
and u clearly dont need a top three player to win it all but it does obv help - tho realistically were prob actually talking abt top 5 or 7 - the winner always gets his stock bumped a bit by the success - anyway that guy in our scenario is kevin durant
― ice cr?m, Friday, 24 April 2009 14:28 (ten years ago) link
I think that it isn't anything about Allen or Garnett specifically, but surrounding a talented guy like Rondo with three guys who are all similarly talented but veteran, instead of guys like Al Jeff or etc. who are talented but haven't accomplished anything, or the guys Rondo ran with at Kentucky, dudes of an inferior talent level ... the big 3 gave him an idea of how to improve and sustain that improvement. When you have a guy like that who has that arrogant self-belief, he simply isn't going to be mentored by guys who don't have that same level of ability, and Pierce alone was only one voice, one possible avenue to greatness. But when he can see the common traits those 3 guys have on a day to day basis, and when those three great players echo what Rondo is hearing from Rivers, it gives Rivers' opinions and orders more weight, and Ainge and Thibodeau and the other coaches as well.
And that honestly makes me wonder how great someone like Monta Ellis could be if he had the same sort of influences around him, instead of shoot-first dudes like Jackson and Crawford as his mentors.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, 24 April 2009 17:08 (ten years ago) link
sry if my wording was confusing--i meant to say a top 3 player OR a couple of top 20 players.
my point is just that garnett is a unique person who happens to play basketball really well. something very real changed re: the celtics and this city when he arrived and i think it was easy to see in how some of the young players developed. it's very hard for me to imagine rondo/perk/baby developing the way they have without him. i'm not saying that it's impossible, just v. hard for me to imagine.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 24 April 2009 17:58 (ten years ago) link
― Dr. Phil, Friday, 24 April 2009 18:13 (ten years ago) link
o man look at the girls fightin over himhttp://www.talk-sports.net/nba/girlfriend.aspx/Rajon_Rondo
Rajon Rondo gotta girl!!! He go wit someone I know so all y'all TRICK or treaters needs 2 all BACK de Hell up!!!
― Dr. Phil, Friday, 24 April 2009 18:14 (ten years ago) link
RAJON when u made that shot 4*20*09 at 4th quather it was 109-106 we had 108 when u made a nice ass move i jump off the chair and i got on the grown i was BOWING cuz the move was so nice and the score that was not the end of the game hell no I LUV U RONDO (ur the best player 2 me)
― Dr. Phil, Friday, 24 April 2009 18:17 (ten years ago) link
rondo had a sik game then disappeared in ot
― ice cr?m, Monday, 27 April 2009 02:02 (ten years ago) link
i was BOWING cuz the move was so nice and the score that was not the end of the game hell no I LUV U RONDO (ur the best player 2 me)
― Dr. Phil, Monday, 27 April 2009 16:27 (ten years ago) link
rajon's got the boy-band vibe going. can totally see how he could corner that market.
― collardio gelatinous, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 02:06 (ten years ago) link
18 assists, hits people, dunks on your big man
― death from abroad (lukas), Thursday, 7 May 2009 11:49 (ten years ago) link
― What funky dudes; I'm voting for them. (cankles), Thursday, 7 May 2009 17:47 (ten years ago) link
that dunk was nuts
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 7 May 2009 17:48 (ten years ago) link
this guy is something else! should have been on first team all defensive imo
― carne asada, Thursday, 7 May 2009 18:04 (ten years ago) link
ya paul gets more steals but rondo is better all around esp when considering his rebounding
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 7 May 2009 18:11 (ten years ago) link
Are we only talking about defense?
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 7 May 2009 18:44 (ten years ago) link
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 7 May 2009 18:52 (ten years ago) link
he had a nice year offensively but nothing like what hes shown in the playoffs - good timing def
― ice cr?m, Friday, 8 May 2009 13:09 (ten years ago) link
click through for HD version
― Can't stop the dancing chickens (dyao), Thursday, 14 May 2009 01:40 (ten years ago) link
fat lever is smiling somewhere
― 6335, Friday, 15 May 2009 04:41 (ten years ago) link
17.4-9.8-10 for the playoffs
― ice cr?m, Friday, 15 May 2009 16:56 (ten years ago) link
welcome to a new season of rondo
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:36 (ten years ago) link
<3 chris webber
― I AM NOT ONE TO PURSUE GAME, MY FRIEND - NO, INDEED. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:40 (ten years ago) link
yah him n gp are the new charles n kenny
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 20:42 (ten years ago) link
― am0n, Thursday, 29 October 2009 03:48 (ten years ago) link
yeah sure baby ive got a rolls... MY BACK
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 October 2009 03:51 (ten years ago) link
― luol deng (am0n), Sunday, 15 November 2009 00:28 (ten years ago) link
the fact that rondo had big hands explains a lot
― 囧 (dyao), Sunday, 15 November 2009 05:32 (ten years ago) link
has, fuck iphone
― 囧 (dyao), Sunday, 15 November 2009 05:33 (ten years ago) link
o no waht happen a rondos hands!
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 15 November 2009 05:44 (ten years ago) link
you know between rondo's coach and his gm and his high school coach and the boston sports media--i guess shutting the fuck up and letting dude play is like completely out of the question. the level of scrutiny rondo STILL gets is totally weird.
also lol @ He’s still the future of a team with a considerable past that, as William Faulkner once said, is not even past.
because yes chuck pierce the boston celtics are a lot like the southern united states.
― omaha deserved 311 (call all destroyer), Sunday, 15 November 2009 15:00 (ten years ago) link
― luol deng (am0n), Sunday, 15 November 2009 19:47 (ten years ago) link
prob as many racists in boston
― house of flying jaggers (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 November 2009 19:49 (ten years ago) link
yeah yeah sure but no sry
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 15 November 2009 19:54 (ten years ago) link
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 July 2018 23:44 (one year ago) link
“I can’t really say what I can’t use my right hand for” 😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/HwkZIQei1U— NBA Central (@TheNBACentral) November 23, 2018
― Spottie, Saturday, 24 November 2018 00:45 (one year ago) link
I was wondering how Rondo is such a beloved teammate everywhere he goes. Apparently the answer is food. https://t.co/cdXoDw2ah1 pic.twitter.com/8WQN8xg9Fk— Taco Trey Kerby (@treykerby) April 10, 2019
― but I can't let Trae do it I got Huerter on my mind (Spottie), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:56 (ten months ago) link