The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

Many people have a tendency to respond positively to male anger because of unresolved daddy issues. A willingness to capitalize on that tendency does not, imo, make one an 'entertainer' or a 'legitimate presidential candidate'.

― Alito Shuffle (Old Lunch), Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:12 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't even know what to say about your first sentence here, but as for the second: what the hell is alex jones if he isn't entertainment?

talk radio: not entertainment

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I'd call it paranoid fear mongering but people are entertained by different things, I guess.

Re: my first sentence, I don't think it's that controversial to suggest that a frustrated desire to please raging paternal figures can later manifest as blind obeisance to public figures who pattern that same raging paternal behavior.

Van Jones is quoting LL Cool J

Mama said devalue the CURRENCY

lol he's losing the Breitbart online poll / You think this is where the brats abandon him?

Thank you dowd; I will now use "Breitbrats" as the new hotness of dismissive shorthand

Mur'ca got a big ole debt
I know they told you they'd vote blue
Mur'ca got a big ole debt
Barack's leavin you

if the trump oppo that wilson et al are alluding to is abortion(s) under NDAs then i don't think it will come now. the why bother with the scruting, "embarrassment" and legal hassles at this point, from their POV

It's not just an abortion, though. I hear tell that he ripped the baby out of the womb at nine months.

And put it in a taco bowl

Does anyone else think he's confusing a 'nine month abortion' with a caesarean?

He is probably confusing it with giving birth, period.

It's something women do.

Since the idea of HRC going to the bathroom is "disgusting," and because he played no role in raising his children (by his own account!), the depths of his ignorance on topics of women's health and reproduction have yet to be plumbed.

It's disgusting, the woman, she's pregnant for nine months. Nine months, folks. And then the doctor comes in, rips the baby out through the woman's vuh-JAI-nuh, now the baby is outside and it's just sick, what this baby's covered in after it comes out. Perfectly happy baby, inside its mother, now it's soaking wet with fluid from her wherever and has to live in the same world that I inhabit. So sad, so sad.

Another one: He was mad that Obama and Clinton did a 'startup' with the Russians. He meant the START agreement.

My gf caught another moment last night when he dropped a word out of a phrase he was parroting and clearly didn't understand well enough to know that he was saying it wrong, can't remember what it was.

i thought wallace did a surprisingly good job as moderator last night though he could have more strongly shut trump the fuck up a few times.

Hillary, she is bad, so bad! She's is so dishonest. Just so dishonest. Folks, she is even taking credit for writing "Don't Let's Start" with the Russians. The Russians, Putin - don't know him, never met him, and even if she did write with him he wouldn't need her help. He is so smart, SO smart. Just look at his credits. But "Don't Let's Start," that was written by my good friends They Might Be Giants - good people, those two guys, very smart. I was actually there when they wrote it, if I'm being honest. They rented a place in one of my buildings, maybe not the best but I gave them a good deal. I was there with them in the basement, and they said they wanted to call it "Start," and I said, why not call it "Don't Let's Start," and they said, what does that even mean? I mean, can you believe these two? They're so smart, very funny, good friends, but they can also be so dumb. Anyway, I came up with the title and the chords, some of the words, a lot of the words, maybe the BEST words, if I'm being honest. And the rest is history, folks. One of the most biggest college rock bands of all time, totally grassroots. I mean, I don't know how influential they are, but they've lasted, which is more than Crooked Hillary can say. Has she ever written a hit song? "Don't Let's Start" is one of the biggest of all time. There was a period I couldn't go anywhere without hearing it, believe me. And now she's saying she wrote it with Putin? Why not just give China credit, too, and Syria, and Assad and ISIS. I mean, folks, she just can't help herself. Sad!

xp if the trump oppo is about an abortion, it gives them an opening to hit trump's conservative base, particularly among pro-life voters, and i think pro-life women especially. if there's the suggestion that trump intimidated or coerced a woman into having an abortion, then it's even more lethal.

if the race had turned out closer it might be a riskier move with so little time left, but i think team clinton sees an opportunity and has comfortable enough poll margins to strike at the heart of his support in an attempt to make the map even more blue.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/for-donald-trump-a-solid-debate-showing-disappears-in-an-instant/article/2605098?platform=hootsuite

LAS VEGAS — Standing in a garish hotel lobby, casino music pounding, a Republican who has worked hard to help Donald Trump couldn't quite believe how the final presidential debate had ended just a couple of hours earlier.

"He had a home run going — a home run — and then he pissed it away in ten seconds," the person said. "Could he just try to win? Just f—-king try to win?"

i thought wallace did a surprisingly good job as moderator last night though he could have more strongly shut trump the fuck up a few times.

― akm, Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:36 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea agreed

This was never as much about winning for Trump as it was about Sheen style 'winning'.

i don't know who is worse, Trump voters or pseudo-impartial 'arbiters'. got in an argument this morning with someone who claimed to not have a horse in the race, stating Trump's comments were fair because would we ask Hillary to accept the results if she had reason to believe there were illegal votes, and that it was unfair to ask Trump to unconditionally accept the results of an election (cos you know, there was no context to the question right). or drawing parallels to Gore when Gore didn't suggest voter fraud on a wider scale and merely requested recounts (and then DID concede when SCOTUS shut it down)....oh and there' sthe fact that he did this after the election, not prior to it.

I then pointed out there were like less than 40 instances of voter fraud ever and that it wasn't a thing that happens and of course the respones I got was "omg you contradict yourself, in one place you say it has happened 40 times, now you say it doesn't happen?! which is it".

"He had a home run going — a home run — and then he pissed it away in ten seconds," the person said. "Could he just try to win? Just f—-king try to win?"

otm except replace "home run" with "seeing-eye single"

Trump was good in the first 30 minutes? He was quieter, I'll grant.

But again, I don't know who these supporters have deluded themselves into thinking Trump is. He's been pretty consistent in his behavior from day one.

there was a goddamn question about the national debt and 'entitlement reform" for chrissakes

Does anyone else think he's confusing a 'nine month abortion' with a caesarean?

― Frederik B, Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:19 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He is probably confusing it with giving birth, period.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:24 AM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This probably has to do with so many people calling him an abortion throughout his life. Understandable misconception.

lollllll JiC

Trump was not good in the first 30 minutes, pretty much the first thing he did was whine about RBG, then he kept saying Hillary wanted to abort full term babies

screw "Revolution", Trump's base should have secured Ghost's "He Is" as their go-to campaign song

my friend (old high school friend that I went to prom twice with) is a doctor, not an OB/GYN, but a doctor nonetheless, and the first thing she posted last night is "what Donald Trump is describing isn't abortion, it's.....birth."

why bother with the scruting indeed

Old Lunch

It's disgusting, the woman, she's pregnant for nine months. Nine months, folks. And then the doctor comes in, rips the baby out through the woman's vuh-JAI-nuh, now the baby is outside and it's just sick, what this baby's covered in after it comes out. Perfectly happy baby, inside its mother, now it's soaking wet with fluid from her wherever and has to live in the same world that I inhabit. So sad, so sad.

And there's no vetting! It's a disaster. No one knows who these babies are. I said it before: these babies, they may be rapists, they may be drug dealers, they may be radical Islamic terrorists. Some of them - I admit - may be good people. But we don't know because there's no vetting.

xpost Trump himself is a walking misconception.

If the alleged campaign killer leak (like he needs any help) is related to abortion and covered by an NDA, good look with that. The bombshell might come out eventually, but if it hasn't leaked yet it's not going to leak. At least, not legitimately. If we're going to hear it it's going to have to come from one of the coy in-the-knows claiming to be privy and not from the person with proof. Which would be pointless.

These are some bad bambinos

lol trump using #bigleaguetruth hashtag on twitter

As opposed to bush-league truth?

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#bigleaguechew

Did he use both 'big league' and 'bigly' last night? I may have misheard his utterance of the latter as a repetition of the former.

man you can hear grunwald trying _so hard_ to not make fun of millenials. i particularly like when he defends millennials by saying "let's be fair, most undecideds aren't quite as bluntly idiotic as the eight inexplicably undecided morons i was stuck with last night".

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/last-debate-2016-florida-millennials-214375

Trump in the first 30 minutes was, I guess, better than he's been in any of the other debates, which is still one of the worst, least winning or convincing debate performances imaginable. He was still interrupting and leaping off topic in a very distracting, confusing, and self-evident way. frogbs has it - first thing out of his mouth, he's dropping out-of-context references to mysterious beefs and scandals which nobody (who is not already voting for him) has ever heard of.

Wallace did him an enormous favor by trying to stack the deck of questions, favoring early stuff in Trump's wheelhouse, and he still couldn't hang onto a thread long enough to deliver anything that sounds like an actual plan. Eventually Wallace got to the assault question (which was also written in such a way as to given Trump the closest thing to a chance he's got, and basically joined the Trump campaign by trying to make Trump's ignominy into a question about Bill Clinton's) and the wheels really came off.

Clinton had some very, very good answers (I surprised myself by being moved by some of her language - she was fantastic with regard to Trump's dismissal of the women who have come forward to accuse him). She also had some enormous glaring duds; the Clinton Foundation thing in particular just didn't go anywhere near the question, for which it wouldn't be hard to have a better answer. If Trump weren't just a walking pile of resentments and id, he could have followed up on that and really laid out "the case" (such as he sees it). But it was just more word salad.

the full-on breitbartization of his campaign is p funny to see, can you remember when republicans thought he would pivot? all 3 debates i tried to view them from the pov of his base and i can see why they think he ruthlessly dominated her, "finally someone calling her out on stage", calling clinton foundation a "criminal enterprise" all the crazy conspiracy shit, the complete denial of the estimations of 17 intelligence agencies re russian hacking

yeah I mentioned yesterday here that her unwillingness to say "People want access to me all the time; it doesn't mean I see them!" is fucking irritating.

Someone - possibly Peter Gabriel - needs to introduce Trump to the compound modifier "big time." If he'd just said "big time" instead of "big league," then "bigly" would not even be a thing.

Gore didn't suggest voter fraud on a wider scale and merely requested recounts (and then DID concede when SCOTUS shut it down)

Maybe I'm misremembering, but weren't at least some of the recounts mandatory due to the closeness (rather than requested)?

it does seem like the easiest defense to offer and she still shies away from it

I've said it before and I'll say it again: this election was Trump's to lose, and he's lost it almost entirely due to his own lack of self-control. Such an utter putz, but thank god for that.

xxpost yes one of them was. it was the hand recounts that he himself requested.

clinton nailed the abortion question, i can't imagine that if you are anything except a hardcore pro-lifer that you wouldn't be horrified by trump's response to that question