The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

hasn't it done enough already

this is an argument for having hitler and isis on the board

yeah I love the "it is our duty to extend the benefits of civil society to people who completely reject civil society's organizing principles" tack. always convincing.

xp

it's really important that we listen to this guy who refuses to listen to anybody else

http://pdesmondadams.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/024-Dont-let-knowledge-limit-imagination1.png

lol that looks like highlights magazine shit

Highlights magazine has yet to announce their endorsement afaik

BTW everyone, I was just reminded about this. And it's happening *tomorrow*

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-17/clinton-trump-playing-nice-during-roasts-may-be-asking-too-much

^first draft: Don't let facts disturb your opinions. Draw conclusions beyond what you can substantiate. xp

this may be the first time I actually agree with Ross Please-don't-douthat:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/19/opinion/campaign-stops/the-trump-afterlife.html

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:20 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, this is otm, i think douthat is right that trump's refusal to concede won't lead to fighting in the streets. Since he's going to lose by something like 4-8 points, his claims of fraud will look ridiculous, not revolutionary, even to his supporters.

which is not to say i don't fear individual acts of violence. I just ultimately don't think that a critical mass will believe trump's voter fraud shtick, which is perhaps wishful thinking

how do I sign up to get my blow job from madonna after the election?

Wonder if Trump's google alert returned this:

http://votefortrumppence.com

BTW, kind of amusing that Trump and his supporters are currently crying fraud weeks before the election, and Clinton's supporters are wringing their hands over the potential aftermath of his loss. Now there's a neurotic narrative for you.

I just really hope they have adequate security when she gets sworn in

Well, people who believe they have been defrauded of something rightly theirs, especially political power, do tend to get quite militant about that belief.

Ken Jennings ‏@KenJennings

Y'all are missing 1 of the funniest subplots of Election 2016: my wife says Mormon Facebook is going crazy w "President Evan McMullin" fever

Ken Jennings ‏@KenJennings

Evan McMullin looks like a small Tom Hanks face photoshopped onto a large egg.

Re: Ailes/Trump split

https://mobile.twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/788811567999614976

Simon Maloy ‏@SimonMaloy

PLUMP GRUMP DUMPS TRUMP: AILES BAILS AS TRAIL TRAVAIL DERAILS

11:38 AM - 19 Oct 2016

Highlights magazine has yet to announce their endorsement afaik

― Evan

oh, let's not kid ourselves. they're just going to go out and endorse gallant. just like they do _every fucking time_.

I just really hope they have adequate security when she gets sworn in

― Evan, Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:14 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

true, i hadn't thought of that

Trump giving the Goofuses of the world hope. Even if you never actually try at anything and cry foul when the people who put forth effort surpass you and stubbornly maintain a state of ignorance throughout your life, you too can almost be president.

Re Douthat: Joe Scarborough and "Mika" have been arguing for months that Trump TV is the next stop.

for all I can tell, trump tv may have been the endgame all along

this is all a massive trump re-brand. instead of licensing products to 'high end' people hes goin for that political grift money his friend ben carson knows all about.

So apparently the Trump 'surprise' tonight really IS this:

https://twitter.com/Beer__Wolf/status/788836336816054273

hahaha

oh, come on.

I mean, I hope Trump brings him out to file it DURING the debate.

I'm sure whatever it is will be presented context free so while the breitbart crew is busy high fiving each other 90% of the rest of the country is like wtf

Even as good as it looks now, I can't dismiss the dark vote of people that will vote for Trump without ever admitting it. I really don't think there's going to be a landslide, and I bet the margin of victory will be 2 or 3 points. fwiw:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/punters-rush-to-back-trump-despite-disastrous-week-of-campaigning-a7368196.html

Oh dear

https://twitter.com/peretti/status/788842667304038400

Even as good as it looks now, I can't dismiss the dark vote of people that will vote for Trump without ever admitting it. I really don't think there's going to be a landslide, and I bet the margin of victory will be 2 or 3 points. fwiw:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/punters-rush-to-back-trump-despite-disastrous-week-of-campaigning-a7368196.html

― flappy bird,

this is horseshit (the article, not you!). Brexit and Trump aren't remotely comparable.

All we need is a Trump/Dewey analogy.

^^^

the idea that a disorganized, underfunded, and underperforming campaign is somehow gonna get a bunch of previously unaccounted for voters to the polls is nonsense

xxxxxpost there is no evidence to suggest the "shy Trump voter" theory other than people that are voting Trump keep saying it to explain his numbers.

http://www.twcnews.com/nys/hudson-valley/news/2016/10/19/trump-praises-rival-hillary-clinton-in-2008-ny1-interview-natl.html

i bet there are shy trump voters but they're probably in overwhelmingly blue states so whatever

lol @ the notion that Trump voters are in any way 'shy'

prognostications on the election based on UK betting habits seem... unsound

I mean the same principle applies both ways. It's not like Hillary is popular either - I don't like to publicly say I'm voting for her, cuz that inevitably brings out "how can you vote for a CRIMINAL!!" and I just don't wanna deal with that

I'm also wondering how many Trump voters are showing up if he's still double digits behind on Nov 8th. I mean he's going to push "rigged election" until the end which I'm sure is gonna convince a bunch of his supporters to not waste an hour in line

And looks like Hannity's starting his pivot

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/788843029868212224

McMullin's had a big day today with the first poll yet showing him in a lead (tight, but even so) in Utah, though it's only one poll so far. And everyone's waiting on a new Idaho poll.

This has gotta be a rough era to be supporting a campaign in the hours before a debate, right? Like you can't just think about and incorporate what happens 2-3 days before the debate; you've gotta keep your eye on all the Tweets, stories, and so on in the hours leading up to the debate.

Heck, something could pop DURING the darn debate.

I can't dismiss the dark vote of people that will vote for Trump without ever admitting it

Nah. If anything, Hillary's popular vote margin is gonna be even wider than expected, because of people who've been in favor of her all along but who haven't wanted to put up with a bunch of bullshit from all the other candidates' asshole supporters.

Assuming there's no way HRC will carry Utah, it'd be cool for some Dems to vote for McMullin to deprive Trump of those EVs.

Hillary should give McMillin props tonight and pretend Trump isn't even onstage.

can't wait for the supercut video of trump sniffing through all 3 debates

The "shy tory" thing is a very British phenomenon, and relates to a particular flaw in our national character and method of national (lack of) discourse, IMO