Um, I Think It's Time for a Thread on WikiLeaks

Lol, even Micah Lee from the Intercept knows who did the hack: How did these prominent political figures get their emails hacked in the first place? It appears that Russian hackers used “spear-phishing” attacks against many high-profile political targets, and some of them bit.

Of course, Greenwald himself still disputes there's any link, even while his reporters reports what's up. Such a shithead.

so did these guys just leak that Steve Jobs died of AIDS or what

wait n/m that's fake

Of course, Greenwald himself still disputes there's any link, even while his reporters reports what's up. Such a shithead.

― Frederik B, Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:03 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you know what's totally cool tho? saber rattling for a country you don't even live in.

Well, yeah, at least me, you and Greenwald agrees on that.

ultimately in spite of everything I said upthread I think I am leaning towards "there's not that much to see here" and agreeing that from an ethical perspective it's far preferable to take Snowden's approach rather than dumping

ugh there's this stupid thing going on now where there was an email mentioning that Jane Sanders asked the Vt governor not to endorse Clinton and now it's being cut off/taken out of context to look like she begged Bernie not to endorse Clinton. These lost causers are starting to really irritate me.

just from my experience nobody really even gives a shit about this wikileaks stuff other than these lames

I called Glenn Greenwald a shithead a bit too soon, he might still be a shithead, but as I wrote he was working on mitigating the things I was mad at him for. This interview with Naomi Klein is quite good and he allows her to attack him on exactly the paradoxes and hypocrisies in the Podesta hack: https://theintercept.com/2016/10/19/is-disclosure-of-podestas-emails-a-step-too-far-a-conversation-with-naomi-klein/

So mea culpa, I guess.

Naomi Klein even uses the same example of climate activism that has gotten me concerned and that I wrote about upthread :)

Hey guys

Guess who's in the latest wikileaks dump

Frederik?

Apparently i'm tangentially associated w some stuff that got leaked re: burning man. I'm in one of the photos attached at the bottom of this:
https://burners.me/2016/10/19/breaking-burning-man-in-latest-wikileaks-data-dump/

in other news, Assange protesting the 17 intelligence agencies quote a little too much on Twitter, methinks

xpost GUYS QUARANTINE SHAKEY

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/789296990127427588

wtf is a "pied piper candidate"?

so what is really the deal w/ this strange alliance w/ trump? i understand i guess why assange/wikileaks hates clinton but i really don't get how his antagonism has basically morphed into outright support of rightwing/trumpist conspiracy shit

i mean if you're thing is actually "radical transparency" how the fuck would you come to the conclusion that trump is your partner in this?

if he buddies up to trump and trump wins then he'll let him into the country

I'd assume it's partly personal animosity, partly the idea that everyone else is gunning for Trump, partly that there's not much of international interest in Trump's past - he's a cheap crook who presents as a cheap crook, whereas Clinton has had positions of actual power and (in the Wikileaks narrative) has abused it.

i suspect with him not being a fan of the U.S., he simply wants to see us get fucked up. trump is the quickest and easiest way to do that.

There's an email going around now showing Jessica Valent, Sady Doyle and others p much collaborating with the Hillary Clinton campaign. Not totally surprising and not sure whether it violates the nebulous ethics of "political blogging" but just sort of confirms why they were so obnoxious throughout.

Valenti responded to that charge on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti/status/789470590054854656

@seanhannity
In 10 yrs @wikileaks has gotten nothing wrong & no one's been killed bc of the info released. #freejulianassange #freeinternet for all.

lol

Valenti responded to that charge on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti/status/789470590054854656

― GUNSHOW POOPHOLE (Phil D.), Friday, October 21, 2016 10:34 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The email says that they are "working with" bloggers on getting the message out and that they had a group call with a few of them (not standard "journalistic" practice, not the same thing as reaching out for comment). However, if you read the wording carefully it's plausible that Valenti wasn't one of the people on the call, and was just someone they were listing as a blogger who was generally on their list or whatever. Ultimately she's more akin to an op-ed writer anyway and pretty clearly, one-sidedly pro-Hillary throughout the campaign. It's not like she reached out to the Sanders campaign for comment, as a reporter would.

So it's sort of another example imo of the thing that a lot of people already suspected (Valenti, Doyle and other bloggers functioning as a sort of street team for Hillary) turning out to be true. And at the same time, given that their bias was apparent, it's not a huge bombshell that there might have been some coordination (unless it turns out that they were on payroll or something).

Like many reporters, I talk to campaign officials but don't coordinate with them.

maybe they talk about, like, their favorite flavor of ice cream or something

Lol, if Valenti isn't mentioned as someone being on the call, then none of the people you just mentioned perhaps wasn't on the call either, and the whole story falls apart...

It proves nothing, except that Lauren Peterson once worded an email badly. And Lee Fang is already up on twitter bringing up the bullshit that 'Sady worked furiously to get pro-Bernie writers fired from their jobs', a lie that has already caused massive amounts of harassment. A piece of shit is he.

kinda surprised you weren't mentioned as being on the call

At this point we have descended into pure speculation, on selectively released emails, obtained illegally, probably through the Russians who has been caught manipulating hacked material before. If there's nothing to corroborate, and Valenti disputes it, we're into conspiracy territory.

If we really are getting every mail sent to John Podesta from this period, there should be plenty of shit on bloggers so comfy that they participate in conference calls. Upthread you said we shouldn't judge the emails before the media had gotten through reading them, man alive, but now you think it's okay to speculate on people who aren't definitively implicated in this mail? People who have been harassed before, and will most certainly be harassed again due to this.

Naomi Klein even uses the same example of climate activism that has gotten me concerned and that I wrote about upthread :)

Somewhat coincidentally, I've had to remind lefty Assange fans that Wikileaks played a big part in passing around the climategate emails.

Jamil Smith disputes being in a call as well, btw.

Jessica Valenti just tweeted a bit of the sexist abuse she's received since this deceitful story went up. So avoidable, so foreseeable.

Ultimately she's more akin to an op-ed writer anyway and pretty clearly, one-sidedly pro-Hillary throughout the campaign. It's not like she reached out to the Sanders campaign for comment, as a reporter would.

Since nobody from either campaign is quoted as having commented to Valenti in the article that Norton cites as a GOTCHA, I'm super-curious as to how you imagine you know this?

WikiLeaks Verified account
‏@wikileaks

Mr. Assange is still alive and WikiLeaks is still publishing. We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point.

that was v. lol, alluded to it in the future of the internet thread

julian assange who loves the jews
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/789882885742419968

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvY8zqhWgAE7FZu.jpg:large

the term "LARPing" to refer to internet drama is such a useful distinction. after 9/11 at my yeshiva in staten island there were students talking about how they'd protect the building from terrorists and i realized that it was just bizarre roleplaying in the wake of difficult to process trauma. but LARPing is a kinda perfect [tho dismissive] summation of this escape into fantasy.

cold larpin'

https://mobile.twitter.com/prawn_meat/status/789359439014801408/photo/1

http://europe.newsweek.com/julian-assange-election-hacks-democratic-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-518469?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=http%3A%2F%2Feurope.newsweek.com%2Frss%2Fsocial

this was just the most insulting thing to read

This is why, irrespective of the outcome of the 2016 U.S. Presidential election, the real victor is the U.S. public, which is better informed as a result of our work.

you're a piece of garbage

Assange really puts the "ass" in ass-hat.

this fuckin guy