... And You Will Poll Us By The Trail Of Dead - album poll

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feels a bit wrong that we did this before they got to their tenth album, hope that's some kind of three-hour monstrosity

also no one ever reps for it but I REALLY like the debut, "Novena Without Faith" is beautiful

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 17 October 2016 23:42 (two years ago) link

going for the debut as i feel it won't get the love it deserves.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 00:51 (two years ago) link

Finally heard this band recently after avoiding them because I had a wrong impression of what they sounded like because of the name. Hate it when that happens.

Sketches by T-Boz (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 03:25 (two years ago) link

these guys are my favorite rock band of all time, every album owns

yolo mostly (sleepingbag), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 03:40 (two years ago) link

Wondering if the Tao of the Dead cover belongs on a certain image thread.

Sketches by T-Boz (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 03:45 (two years ago) link

I loved this band up to Source Codes but was a bit disappointed by Worlds Apart and got off the bus after that - I've caught up all the later albums since then but none of them really grabbed me as a whole (although there were definitely great songs here and there). I probably need to revisit the last four.

Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 11:08 (two years ago) link

i actually legit can't decide between century of self and tao of the dead; they sound so reinvigorated on century, and the songs are really strong and feel like hybrids of worlds apart and madonna, aggressive, digressive, and pretty. tao conversely feels like the record they'd always wanted to make

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 14:30 (two years ago) link

also i just learned there's a tao of the dead part 3!

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 14:32 (two years ago) link

double guitars, y'know??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v09TM7Z25qg

flappy bird, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 17:07 (two years ago) link

Some days I think Giants Causeway/Far Pavillions is the best way to open an album ever.

ultros ultros-ghali, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 17:13 (two years ago) link

Going to listen to all albums after ST&C tonight while writing an essay, that should be fun. Worlds apart, really loved that one, but after that I probably didnt invest enough time and energy in their albums.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 17:18 (two years ago) link

i love ix too but i feel like it doesn't really start until "lie without a liar"

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:08 (two years ago) link

PSHAW jaded apostles and million random digits are both great

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:25 (two years ago) link

they're good but idk the momentum feels kinda off before "lie"

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 19:39 (two years ago) link

Listening to Lost Songs myself and it's very enjoyable and BIG sounding, but I think their compositions were much more inventive on ST&C. Watched an old Conan performance of Relative Ways and while that song seems simple and BIG as well it's also intricate and in control.

Evan, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 20:01 (two years ago) link

Jaded Apostles is a weirdly slow track for second on an album, but at least it's a good song

imago, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 20:02 (two years ago) link

Ha, just got to Pinhole Cameras and that guitar part that opens it is clearly recycled from Relative Ways

Evan, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 20:12 (two years ago) link

I mean thats where my head went, at least

Evan, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 20:12 (two years ago) link

The whole ST&C thing feels like 'is the dress gold and white or black and blue?' (it's gold and white), i just don't hear the 'inventive compositions' or interesting lyrics. Worlds Apart is so much more idiosyncratic and powerful. I don't dislike ST&C though, "Baudelaire" rules.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 20:15 (two years ago) link

Yeah your post upthread is like the exact opposite of mine. I found that very interesting! It's cool to see that if they lost one set of fans another set was enjoying them more than ever.

Evan, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 20:24 (two years ago) link

This thread has fucked up my priorities, 70s soul funk album poll going down and all I'm listening to is trail of dead.

quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Thursday, 20 October 2016 08:13 (two years ago) link

omg <3 bus lines

quis gropes ipsos gropiuses? (ledge), Thursday, 20 October 2016 10:09 (two years ago) link

Century Of Self is good but it'd be better imo (and a candidate for #1) if it didn't have Isis Unveiled OR Halcyon Days on it. (LJ, hating on the longest songs??) But seriously - after the jet-fuelled opening duo, to skip the Will You Smile Again retreads and head straight for Bells Of Fucking Creation - and then the rest? I just find the long songs unwieldy on this one.

ST&C is probably everyone's favourite because of the bassline on It Was There That I Saw You. Maybe all the basslines. They lost an awesome bassist, but I think they probably grew as songwriters.

imago, Thursday, 20 October 2016 14:24 (two years ago) link

I also listened to Tao Of The Dead and it didn't quite grab me as I'd hoped, except for Summer Of All Dead Souls and maybe the one after it. But it wasn't exactly dull either so I'll have to give it more listens

imago, Thursday, 20 October 2016 14:27 (two years ago) link

i can't even hear the bass on ST&C!

but man. "Baudelaire" just BANGS. such a killer fucking song

flappy bird, Thursday, 20 October 2016 17:40 (two years ago) link

the bass on 'IWTTISY' is maybe the single greatest thing this band has ever done

imago, Thursday, 20 October 2016 17:59 (two years ago) link

I've read the P4K reviews of all their albums today. ST&C got a 10 rating, which seems about right. I can't find a single flaw in that album. They've been kind on the band after they tanked it with Worlds Apart, rightfully so as they managed to fight their way back again (even though I still love Worlds Apart in all its glorious bombast). The last two albums I feel I've neglected, so will put those on again tonight.

I honestly do not why I created this poll when I did, it just felt like a right time to revisit this band. And it has been.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 20 October 2016 18:08 (two years ago) link

the bass on 'IWTTISY' is maybe the single greatest thing this band has ever done

― imago, Thursday, 20 October 2016 17:59 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

on further consideration, the answer to this is the bridge of 'bells of creation', which might be in the top ten rock bridges ever

imago, Friday, 21 October 2016 19:31 (two years ago) link

i think the song "So Divided" might be my favorite thing they've ever done

flappy bird, Friday, 21 October 2016 20:33 (two years ago) link

it's really great yeah

imago, Friday, 21 October 2016 20:53 (two years ago) link

I've listened to ALL THEIR ALBUMS now and worked out my TOD CD-80! It features tracks from all but one of their albums:

1) Open Doors
2) Novena Without Faith
3) It Was There That I Saw You
4) Will You Smile Again
5) Summer Of All Dead Souls
6) Wasted State Of Mind
7) The Ghost Within
8) Flower Card Games
9) Bells Of Creation
10) Heart In The Hand Of The Matter
11) So Divided
12) Luna Park
13) Lost In The Grand Scheme
14) Caterwaul
15) Intelligence

Brad and flappy will be pleased to note their own favourites in here, because they really are great songs. Nothing from Madonna though! I didn't really get on with it. Maybe if Aged Dolls had had that outro removed I might have included it, but the songwriting didn't really hit me. I think they got much better after that. Anyway, I'm pretty happy with this playlist. If only it could be made to segue properly - most of the tracks end mid-segue into something completely different

imago, Sunday, 23 October 2016 19:03 (two years ago) link

Great list LJ. Mistakes & Regrets a serious Madonna-ommission imho, but I can see it wouldn't fit in the run you put together.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 23 October 2016 19:34 (two years ago) link

that's a pretty solid effort imago! They are not an easy band to anthologize in this way, especially since they are deceptively diverse sonically.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 October 2016 20:24 (two years ago) link

You ought to check out Elena's Tomb. Shouldn't be ignored if we're starting to talk about songs.

Evan, Monday, 24 October 2016 01:56 (two years ago) link

did you read my playlist lol

imago, Monday, 24 October 2016 04:05 (two years ago) link

Heh, overlooked

Evan, Monday, 24 October 2016 04:59 (two years ago) link

Have put together a (chronological) CD-80 of my own, heavier on the first few records and only two tracks in common with Imago's but I do plan on giving all his picks a second chance:

1. Fake Fake Eyes
2. Prince With a Thousand Enemies
3. Mistakes and Regrets
4. Claire de Lune
5. Sigh Your Children
6. How Near, How Far
7. Heart in the Hand of the Matter
8. Relative Ways
9. Crowning of a Heart
10. A Classic Art Showcase
11. The Rest Will Follow
12. Goldheart Mountaintop Queen Directory
13. So Divided
14. Isis Unveiled
15. Fall of the Empire
16. The Doomsday Book

Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 24 October 2016 14:06 (two years ago) link

haven't really thought about what my favourite trail of dead song is but my instinct would be to say another morning stoner, and i am perplexed and dismayed at its omission from these cd80s.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 24 October 2016 14:28 (two years ago) link

Gavin's taste is much more in line with mine it seems. For instance, speaking of Elena's Tomb, I do not like the last two tracks and for awhile Crowning of a Heart was my favorite song by them.

Evan, Monday, 24 October 2016 14:57 (two years ago) link

this has been one of my favorite youtube videos for years. Trail of Dead in 2003, they start going into Richter Scale Madness but the stagehand is desperately trying to signal that their set time is up. they keep playing out of spite and the dude starts getting really heated and they start fucking with him hard. then they trash the stage lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYl9-zDb64

flappy bird, Monday, 24 October 2016 17:42 (two years ago) link

idk if this fits on one cd but my essential tod would be something like:

let it dive
wasted state of mind
how near how far
all saints day
awestruck
ebb away
bells of creation
the dragonfly queen/how to avoid huge ships
baudelaire
pictures of an only child
fields of coal
relative ways
weight of the sun
a classic arts showcase
the wasteland

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Monday, 24 October 2016 17:50 (two years ago) link

Hahahaha. That is amazing. Seriously what is the dude's problem? Xp

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 24 October 2016 17:51 (two years ago) link

i guess that was their thing, i saw them on the co-headline tour with qotsa in 2002 and they played way into qotsa's time. jason took the drum kit apart mid-song and put it back together out on the floor in the crowd. was a top 5 live show for me for sure. not for the qotsa set tho, for some reason they seemed ticked off.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 24 October 2016 17:56 (two years ago) link

Haha are you sure that isn't some character one of their roadies is playing? It was kind of too perfectly timed and executed!

Evan, Monday, 24 October 2016 17:59 (two years ago) link

Great stuff from whoever doesn't cut their power

Also great stuff in these alternative mixtapes. They have a lot of v good material

imago, Monday, 24 October 2016 18:01 (two years ago) link

a classic arts showcase is v underrated

flappy bird, Monday, 24 October 2016 18:02 (two years ago) link

the lyrics are extremely dumb but "a classic arts showcase" -> "let it dive" is my favorite moment in the tod catalog

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Monday, 24 October 2016 18:04 (two years ago) link

That whole album is like that

imago, Monday, 24 October 2016 18:05 (two years ago) link

ah i love the lyrics in ACAS, but yeah that run is great

flappy bird, Monday, 24 October 2016 18:06 (two years ago) link

The only song I'm sometimes unsure about on WA is The Best and even that's pretty great some days

imago, Monday, 24 October 2016 18:08 (two years ago) link

'Hills of K-Town' is a great song

obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:57 (nine months ago) link

Source Tags was a huge album for teenage me, and I will occasionally revisit it when I'm feeling nostalgic. I kind of fell off with them after that, and never really kept up. Prompted by this thread I'm listening to Worlds Apart now, and...IDK. Can't really get into it at all. I'm pretty sure it's Keely's voice. It feels like not the right voice for what he's trying to do at all. Does it get better later in the discography?

days of being riled (zchyrs), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:25 (nine months ago) link

yeah, i'm pretty much right there with you (down to having the same initials, i think?). i loved ST&C, and a show i saw around then still ranks as one of the best shows i ever saw. they were FERAL. madonna is quite good as well. i haven't been able to get into anything since.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:27 (nine months ago) link

Almost every album after WA is superior. I'd skip straight to Tao of the Dead and see if that strikes your fancy at all.

resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:49 (nine months ago) link

Thanks to Simon for the good advice. Tao is leagues better. Now I'm listening to IX which is really surprisingly quite good. Also, this band is ideal for blocking out office noise.

days of being riled (zchyrs), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:30 (nine months ago) link

IX is like my second favourite of their albums tbh

imago, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:35 (nine months ago) link

Lost Songs is also great and I'm annoyed it's not on Spotify

resident hack (Simon H.), Saturday, 15 December 2018 17:05 (nine months ago) link

three months pass...

On tour again. Anyone seen them recently? Worth dropping 20 bones on?

Simon H., Monday, 18 March 2019 18:28 (six months ago) link

only saw em once in 2011 to a mostly empty club, they rocked, I say go for it because you'll probably regret not going whenever they call it a day

flappy bird, Monday, 18 March 2019 18:50 (six months ago) link

back then it was like half new album, half old favorites, of course they closed with Richter Scale Madness... I remember Surfer Blood opened for them, and I guess most of the crowd came for them because by the time Trail of Dead came on there were maybe 40 people left. Didn't deter them at all, didn't even look pissed or disappointed, just happy to rock for whoever was left.

flappy bird, Monday, 18 March 2019 18:51 (six months ago) link

sold. I've wanted to catch them live since catching that "Mistakes and Regrets" performance on that show Matt Pinfield hosted (lol)

Simon H., Monday, 18 March 2019 18:54 (six months ago) link

they were great on the source tags tenth anniversary tour which uh i guess we're creeping closer to the 20th

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 18 March 2019 18:55 (six months ago) link

yeah this year marks the 20th of Madonna

incidentally I relistened to the s/t today and while it's badly in need of a remaster, it's still great. "Novena Without Faith" is so beautiful

Simon H., Monday, 18 March 2019 18:57 (six months ago) link

Hate to say it, but they were absolutely dreadful when I saw them a month ago. I don't go to concerts a lot anymore, but I really wanted to see these guys. But It. Was. Bad. A huge disappointment. It was billed as a ToD plays Madonna/ST&C concert. They did play Madonna from start to finish, but bailed after three or four ST&C songs. Not that it mattered: they were horrible. They pulled up a wall of sound that obliterated all melody, everything that makes their songs such great songs. I know Madonna by heart so I know which song follows which song, but you couldn't make out the songs they were playing at times. Too much feedback, too much noise, a great injustice to what makes them so great.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 18 March 2019 19:27 (six months ago) link

oh no :/ hopefully they've got that sorted by May

Simon H., Monday, 18 March 2019 19:35 (six months ago) link

Hope so too. You can always go and buy a nice hand-drawn Keely drawing at the merch stand, that's something.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 18 March 2019 19:46 (six months ago) link

A buddy of mine saw them a few weeks ago in Vera, Groningen and according to him they were great. Loud, but great.

Marty8501 (Marty Innerlogic), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:12 (six months ago) link

That was the same show I was at :) It was loud, and terrible. The loudness obliterated what I find ToD's strength, which is melody. They did not find that balance, at all. There's no need for them to be this loud. It felt like they tried to obscure bad vocals/bad play by just blasting their songs out there. Plus: bailing three songs into ST&C - my fave ToD album - was nagl, to say the least.

Idk, ymmv, but I was bitterly disappointed by one of the bands I admire most.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 18 March 2019 20:25 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

They played well in TO last night - their drummer in particular is great - but the mixing and tone was absurd. Specifically, their lead guitarist was so amped up (both in terms of amplitude and maxing out distortion) that it drowned out everything but those drums! Conrad was literally inaudible. Completely baffling choices. The set was Madonna plus a couple Source Tags tunes, though it took me a full 45-60 seconds each to figure out what those were due to the sound.

Simon H., Thursday, 9 May 2019 12:51 (four months ago) link


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