The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

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New polls are good

he's not even cherrypicking data anymore, he's just saying shit in defiance of it.

like I struggle to think what poll he could be talking about other than the hilarious LA Times one, which has barely moved, or the trio of CNN state polls that painted a better pic for him, but those came alongside really terrible national polls including one which shows him down 12%, soooooooo...

Neanderthal, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:22 (seven years ago) link

The NCGOP claims that completed absentee ballots were destroyed in the firebombing, which if true means the NCGOP was... committing a felony. Oops.

if only someone would focus on voter fraud

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link

congress wouldn't let andrew johnson appoint any more supreme court justices, but they accomplished this through passing legislation, rather than simply ignoring the president's nomination

and they could ignore Johnson b/c the GOP had a veto-proof majority (I think that Congress holds the record for most veto overrides).

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:26 (seven years ago) link

lol people on the Hannity forum are arguing w/ each other over the felony thing

Neanderthal, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link

The original NBC News must have been edited at some point to include "(Weeks later clarified that the ballots were not stored at that office.)"

Still, no one is flatly denying that completed ballots are being stored by party officials.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:35 (seven years ago) link

why is Trump doing so shitty in Alaska?

My first guess was Mormons again, but that's only 4.5% of the pop. Any moves in Anchorage by a few points this way or that have a massive effect on the state as a whole.

El Tomboto, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

you can see russia from their porches and they don't like all this russia talk

mh 😏, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link

eh idk

marcos, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link

Cillizza is such a Chicken Little.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link

*yawn*

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link

yeah it's not "BOMBSHELL" but still ugh emails

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link

guys the unsourced and unsubstantiated allegation is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE

fat fingered algorithm (rushomancy), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link

The number of people outside of the right wing media bubble who even give two shits about since last year is negligible.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link

if u can read this without yr eyes glazing over you're a better citizen than me

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu-pIDfW8AEVtN_.jpg

Mordy, Monday, 17 October 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link

Cillizza is such a Chicken Little jabbering fucking idiot.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 17 October 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link

buried in paragraph #1345

Now, simply because Kennedy asked for a quid pro quo regarding classification doesn't mean that Clinton asked him to do so. There's no evidence of that. There's also no evidence that Clinton had a conversation of any sort with Kennedy about his classification request. And it's important to remember that Kennedy is a career officer at State, having worked in the same administrative job for Condoleezza Rice prior to Clinton, so he's not exactly a partisan.

That said, this latest revelation adds more evidence to the "where there's smoke, there's fire" argument that Republicans have long made about Clinton's email setup

stfu Cilizza

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link

It is completely 100% common practice and in fact customary to use interagency requests that get escalated to senior officials as venues and opportunities to remind counterparts that hey, that other thing, you gonna do anything with that? I mean these are phone calls that get planned for hours, you think we don't think up "oh and while you've got him, be sure and ask about X?" Jesus christ

El Tomboto, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link

Poor Donald, the sweet young easily-led-astray innocent.

https://twitter.com/vplus/status/788123937607716864

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link

I did not have grabbing relations with that pussy

speak bigly and carry a soft stick (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:16 (seven years ago) link

he just wanted to show how butch he was for noted man's man billy bush

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link

Billy Bush made me smoke a cigarette this one time

lol

Their all losers and I like associating with loser (Dan Peterson), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:19 (seven years ago) link

Okay so you know how absentee ballots generally are presumed to favor the GOP?

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/788124948179120128

Downthread comment:

Early voting hasn't started yet in Florida - these are absentee numbers, which Republicans always lead. Usually Rs get a lead with absentees, Dems make some of it up with earlys, and then make the rest up (or don't!) on e-day

And as you can see, this is currently not the case.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:19 (seven years ago) link

how do they know who the absentee ballots voted for?? i always assumed they remained sealed until election day. is it possible we could know who won the election before the 8th?

Mordy, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link

i heard billy bush peer-pressured don into trying tic tacs

gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link

Don was all like, "No way man, Altoids all the way!"

a full playlist of presidential sex jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:23 (seven years ago) link

No, that was Little Marco xps

http://www.sj-r.com/storyimage/LS/20160213/NEWS/160219782/AR/0/AR-160219782.jpg

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link

It's the most wonderful time of the year, Mr. Soto. (Tomorrow's the final day for registration, yes?)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link

marc maron ‏@marcmaron 34m34 minutes ago

These Wikileaks emails really do make a solid case that the democrats have finally gotten their shit together.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:28 (seven years ago) link

xpost We don't know how they voted, but we do know what party they are registered as, right? So we can surmise.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:38 (seven years ago) link

Why, my heart bleeds for him!

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/788122106764599296

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:56 (seven years ago) link

lol @ responses accusing him of setting the NCGOP fire

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 October 2016 21:57 (seven years ago) link

xpost We don't know how they voted, but we do know what party they are registered as, right? So we can surmise.

True in states that register by party, but not in states that don't. I saw some numbers out this morning speaking of Virginian early voters favoring Democrats, but that can't be from party registration (which we don't have).

So I suspect some of the early-voting stats are extrapolations from the electorate as a whole? Maybe? Or reliant on exit polling?

speak bigly and carry a soft stick (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 17 October 2016 21:58 (seven years ago) link

pence talking ominously about voter fraud as well now. cool stuff.

Treeship, Monday, 17 October 2016 22:06 (seven years ago) link

like a lot of things in this race, this is charmingly out of date already:

Dude must have serious NDAs, given the relative lack of high-profile leaks for a guy who leaves a trail of slime like a slug everywhere he goes.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, October 7, 2016 5:10 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's even interesting to read like a week-old issue of the NYT given how this has unfolded

global tetrahedron, Monday, 17 October 2016 22:36 (seven years ago) link

has anyone ever complained about polling sample sizes on twitter ever and known wtf they were talking about?

Mordy, Monday, 17 October 2016 22:38 (seven years ago) link

it's even interesting to read like a week-old issue of the NYT given how this has unfolded

― global tetrahedron, Monday, October 17, 2016 6:36 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha yes i am months behind on the NYRB, can't wait to see what insights into trump they came up with back in may

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 17 October 2016 22:42 (seven years ago) link

not like NYRB is particularly timely in the first place...

Mordy, Monday, 17 October 2016 22:43 (seven years ago) link

I have doubts

http://gizmodo.com/melania-trump-says-she-would-combat-online-bullying-as-1787898828

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 October 2016 22:48 (seven years ago) link

incongruity in today's washington post end of the day link-fest. fuck I hate schumer.

* Ed O’Keefe and Paul Kane examine the frenetic efforts of Chuck Schumer to prepare for what he hopes will be his turn at last as Senate Majority Leader.

* With the possibility of a Dem takeover of Congress looking a bit more real, Brian Beutler makes a good case that Democrats really need to be ready to govern in ways that dispel cynicism about government, and lays out what that might look like.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 17 October 2016 22:56 (seven years ago) link

should I watch a debate between Little Marco and Patrick Murphy

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 October 2016 22:59 (seven years ago) link

Lord, why.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 October 2016 23:04 (seven years ago) link

This was the highlight of our one senatorial debate out here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7N6ar0ybp4

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 October 2016 23:05 (seven years ago) link

Some hootable moments in this:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/sniffing-at-trump/article/2004726

(rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Monday, 17 October 2016 23:06 (seven years ago) link

I will not click on that URL

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 October 2016 23:07 (seven years ago) link

Aw, but it contains such graphs as these:

'In pursuit of perfect liberation we've had no-fault divorce, open access to abortion, the celebration of inverted sex, elimination of the blue laws, and wars against censorship that continue long after the censors have cried uncle. Say what you want about this regime, you'd never call it a triumph of puritanism.'

(rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Monday, 17 October 2016 23:14 (seven years ago) link

ya burnt

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 October 2016 23:27 (seven years ago) link


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