The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

oh yeah

xp There will lots of pressure to impeach, but they'll need some kind of plausible hook to hang it on that won't enrage 70% of the population for their trying to overturn a legitimate presidential election.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless)

oh, most americans already think she's a criminal. impeach her for the email server thing. they'll drag it out for as long as possible, fail, and clean up in 2018. won't do shit for them in the long term, but they don't have any concept of or interest in long-term survival at this point.

But there are 'center-right' politicians who do have long-term interests. As do many dark money givers, who wants lower taxes and less regulation and free trade, not deadlock and impeachment trials. There are powerful forces who wants something else.

xp not that the GOP is necessarily thinking strategically, but the earlier impeachment famously lost them seats in '98. Even if everyone hates HRC, it seems unlikely to me that immediate impeachment would lead the GOP to clean up in 2018.

Idg this weird niche of prominent Indo-American Republicans.

https://twitter.com/ArifCRafiq/status/786257727995645952

Republican Hindu Coalition ldr on his support for Trump: “There is an elephant — or, I should correct myself — there is a camel in the room”

I know Jindal, D'Souza and Haley are Christian but a lot of NRIs find common cause in small government, an emphasis on personal / family responsibility and hating Muslims.

xp not that the GOP is necessarily thinking strategically, but the earlier impeachment famously lost them seats in '98. Even if everyone hates HRC, it seems unlikely to me that immediate impeachment would lead the GOP to clean up in 2018.

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yeah and going to war in iraq didn't do much to help ghwb win re-election, and yet...

seriously, where are the leaders in the gop? where is the common sense? there is none, _particularly_ not in the house.

Huh. Enjoying the image results for https://www.google.com/search?q=schlammschlacht

xp i don't know if i follow your point about bush I. I don't necessarily disagree that the house will eventually impeach clinton on some ridiculous charge, i just don't think they're going to do it immediately, specifically because of their lack of leadership, in addition to it not being in the interests of the tea party/freedom caucus donor base (Koch network, etc)

in addition to the likelihood of having a democratic senate, something the mid-90s house didn't have to contend with

where is the common sense?

i think there are a handful that can look & play the part (eg Ryan), prob just biding their time. rosiest case i can see for the party is that instead of getting perma-tarred w/ Trump, the "reasonable" dudes who clucked their tongues while offering a mealy-mouthed endorsement will eventually get rehabbed the MSM (gotta have that horse race!). they'll try to look adult while exploiting the dissatisfaction/ outright disdain of voters who voted HRC out of fear of Trump.

this, of course, does not consider demographic changes afoot, nor the GOP's seeming unwillingness to piss off the white nationalists who've infiltrated their base

the GOP's seeming unwillingness to piss off the white nationalists who've infiltrated always been their base

can't really argue with that

but i guess they used to do a better job of keepin em in the basket

or during my lifetime, anyway

most americans already think she's a criminal. impeach her for the email server thing.

I doubt that the majority thinks she's a criminal, even if the number who think it is substantial. otoh, the email server thing has been thoroughly aired before the election, so when she wins there will be an indisputable majority who voted for her and want her to be president, regardless of the email server. Ignoring their wishes would be perilous. Voters get very pissed off when their expressed wishes during an election are treated with contempt.

i feel like there is actually a ton of good will toward her right now. she's running her campaign in a very responsible way -- never taking trump's bait, letting that campaign destroy itself

the American electorate is totally amnesiac. Did the GOP pay a price for the deeply unpopular move of shutting down the gov't/nearly defaulting on the nat'l debt in 2013? No they did not - in fact they were rewarded with congressional majorities in both houses less than a year later. GOP will bury Trump like he never happened and move on to trying to sell the same old shit, same as before.

xp

― Οὖτις

A large part of the problem is the media STILL wanting to play "both sides do it," despite even NBC Nightly News reporters writing ledes that go (I paraphrase): "Donald Trump, after lying about never sexually assaulting women repeated the charge today." But the Beltway press has only turned on Trump because it feels like it's been treated like chumps.

And, yes, I don't see the fever breaking in 2018 or 2020. Did the fever break when Goldwater lost in 1964? No. Nixon, canny politician that he was, came off like the Elder Statesman but one who cut deals with Strom Thurmond to get the same racists who opposed the Civil Rights Act in 1964 and who would vote for George Wallace in 1972.

The only way the Democrats ever destroyed the GOP for a generation was when FDR and Truman hung the Depression and Herbert Hoover around the neck of every Republican who ran for office b/w 1932 and 1052, and even Ike was smart enough not to dismantle the New Deal. Instead, we've got a Dem nominee/likely president who will likely sit down with Paul Ryan.

To repeat, Hillary has to make the GOP pay for its perfidy like FDR did in 1932 and 1936. I see no signs she's willing to do it.

HOWEVER, Barack Obama, who doesn't give a fuck anymore, is.

If Ryan does that he'll lose the Speakership

Xp

But the Beltway press has only turned on Trump because it feels like it's been treated like chumps.

Partly this, and partly that they can smell a loser.

Once Obama is out of office, I think you are going to see him go on the attack much more aggressively. I think he's been holding a lot back.

chuuch ‏@ch000ch

TRUMP: i grab women by the pussy
A DOZEN WOMEN: yeah that's true he did it to me
TRUMP: this is a global conspiracy

I also think the GOP will continue the same policy of zero compromise and total stonewalling with Clinton, but even more so.

think obama has been chastened by his experience as president. i think he believed he would get a few republicans who liked him in the senate to play ball. can def see no fucks given version post presidency.

He's definitely not going to fade into retirement

nah, but hes gonna go to colorado and get FADED in his retirement
CHOOM GANG REUNION

Wld watch that 30 for 30

No president plays attack dog immediately after they leave office, this is not a thing that happens.

Clinton definitely will be clear-eyed about the extent of bipartisanship.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/14/donald-trump-kept-calling-lil-jon-an-uncle-tom-celebrity-apprentice-staffers-say.html

Offensive yet so weird

Lil Jon response
https://twitter.com/LilJon/status/787118540163682304

One of the executive producers had to call him up directly to [plead with] him not to say it, and Trump was like, ‘No, that’s a saying, it’s Uncle Tom.’

If I weren't already convinced of the validity of this story, this little dash of Trump thinking would have done it for sure.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/14/gop-mailer-we-ll-tell-your-neighbors-if-you-vote-democratic.html

@realDonaldTrump: Hillary Clinton should have been prosecuted and should be in jail. Instead she is running for president in what looks like a rigged election

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at what point does this get dangerous

A long time ago.

I like this one, you can tell he's falling apart:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

100% fabricated and made-up charges, pushed strongly by the media and the Clinton Campaign, may poison the minds of the American Voter. FIX!

FIX!

https://twitter.com/erinmallorylong/status/787150827840425988

Trump campaign issues a statement from an alleged cousin of Summer Zavros. His name? "John Barry." When you're a con man, you really believe people will fall for anything.

No way

idgi

Loooooool

John Barry was the iconic composer of the music for the most famous James Bond movies

Xp

At first I thought that was the name Trump used for his debunked "spokesman," but that was John Barron. Still, I don't think this guy's got a lot of imagination, so the Barron to Barry trip isn't that far.

ah ok

john barry is apparently his brother in law's name

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2000/04/18/nyregion/john-barry-60-trial-and-appellate-lawyer.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0&referer=https://t.co/4mrk0LFm6d

to think this man was seen as a contender a year ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ro-ZbpxOt8

he was the eejit who claimed that more European Jews would have survived the Holocaust if they all had guns, which is a dumb enough opinion but this clown had it published in a book.