The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

xxp dude click Fred's link

when stuff like this happens i do have to wonder what kind of stupid shit i've said that would suddenly become national headlines if i became inexplicably famous. probably something from ilx, to be honest, as this is about the only public message board i've posted to in a while.

fair enough. did not click the link. i'm an asshole. carry on Ken Bone.

yeah, ken bone didn't use a burner for his AMA so everyone could read his old reddit posts. one of them claimed that the shooting of trayvon was "legally justified" but that zimmerman was a "shitbird." in another post he seemed to claim that it was jennifer lawrence's fault for getting her phone hacked and that he enjoyed looking at her hacked photos. not as bad as trump, but he still seems like a pretty gross dude, not to mention #basic

this election is turning me into a monster

actually, take it back. i read fred's link and i forgive ken bone now that he says he takes "full accountability" for his actions and apologized to jennifer lawrence.

not that it was my place to pass judgment on anyone in the first place i guess. idk.

fuck this election

so where is the big dump? wasnt it supposed to happen today

this election is turning me into a monster

― serge thoroughgoods (will)

we've all always been monsters, this election is just making some of us realize the full extent of our monstrosity. and no, this isn't any of that "false equivalency" bullshit. yes, in some respects i'm a pretty horrible person but that doesn't mean i can't pass judgment.

i like ken bone because i feel like i can honestly forgive him. i haven't felt that way about people in a while.

and really no need to blame the election for my assholishness. apologies Mr Bone wherever you are

the rise and fall of ken bone is so roman. if only gibbon was around

there are no winners in this election it's so fucking trash

"It was clear that my opponent, Donald Trump, was going to try to, you know, dominate the space almost to the exclusion of the people who were sitting there," Clinton said of the town-hall debate setting.

"I mean, they were sitting there so that we could talk to them and that they could ask questions, we would then answer, and because of the revelation of the public video and everything that came out on 'Access Hollywood,' you know, he was really all wrought up and you could just sense how much anger he had," she said.

Clinton continued: "And so he was really just trying to dominate and then literally stalk me around the stage, and I would just feel this presence behind me, and I thought, 'Whoa, this is really weird.' I was just trying to stay focused, trying to keep my composure, trying to interact with the moderators ... and deal with the string of accusations that he was putting forth."

Clinton said she found it difficult to debate Trump, whom DeGeneres compared to a "teenager."

"It's frustrating," Clinton said. "I feel such a sense of obligation to people that, you know, I work at trying to make sure what I'm saying is appropriate, is accurate, conveying that to people. Everybody makes mistakes, don't get me wrong, I obviously have made more than my share, but to run against somebody and debate somebody who is consistently just spewing forth falsehoods, and when you catch him, when you say, 'No, wait a minute, you said this, you actually were on the record about this,' 'No I wasn't. No I wasn't.'"

there are no winners in this election it's so fucking trash

I think Clinton did a pretty good job of responding to the Sanders insurrection by acknowledging some of its issues and concerns in the platform, and she hasn't been the one dragging down this election to a frolic in the cesspool. She's mostly been a spectator since mid-September.

*swish*

xp

so where is the big dump? wasnt it supposed to happen today

― marcos, Friday, October 14, 2016 4:45 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bro the dump is all around u

the garbage is coming from inside the dump

what's crazy about trump going so hard after the clintons is that they "didn't know" about the tape and they "didn't release" the tape, this was perhaps all done w/o their knowledge (maybe it really was? it's possible!), which is why i think trump's attacks are not working especially well, it feels less like tit-for-tat and more like transparent distraction tactics, and his unshackled fury looks misplaced.

i like ken bone because i feel like i can honestly forgive him. i haven't felt that way about people in a while.

― fat fingered algorithm (rushomancy), 14. oktober 2016 22:47 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is a really good description. He seems like the kinda mensch who strives to be as good as he can be, fails, apologizes and tries again. Instead of doubling down. That's admirable.

Phenomenally disappointed nobody has done a shop of Jeff Smith's Ken Bone

Bone is definitely a better person than I am in that regard, though I'm obviously more knowledgable when it comes to American politics.

:|

you're really on a roll today Frederik

what's crazy about trump going so hard after the clintons is that they "didn't know" about the tape and they "didn't release" the tape, this was perhaps all done w/o their knowledge (maybe it really was? it's possible!), which is why i think trump's attacks are not working especially well, it feels less like tit-for-tat and more like transparent distraction tactics, and his unshackled fury looks misplaced.

― nomar, Friday, October 14, 2016 4:03 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's also probably relevant how easily believable the accusations are, and what a terrible job he's done at trying to combat the hit to his image. i'm not sure if getting out in front of this and denouncing the tape strenuously, apologizing publically, and owning the shame would have been a better play (the mere presence of a sincere-sounding trump apology might have been beneficial for shock value alone) but it couldn't have been a worse one than the one he chose

like trump is basically asking all men to agree that they do the same disgusting shit, and asking all women to agree that this disgusting shit isn't such a big deal, and most of both groups are unwilling to accept these terms

i'm not sure if getting out in front of this and denouncing the tape strenuously, apologizing publically, and owning the shame would have been a better play

his only possible move was a come-to-Jesus/cryin' Jimmy Swaggart moment and tbh he's not that good an actor, he just didn't have it in him.

you're really on a roll today Frederik

― Οὖτις, 14. oktober 2016 23:09 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fp'ed!!!!!!!

Am I doing it right?

xp yeah he could barely hack a pre-recorded video "apology" that took who knows how many takes

CAH's Nuisance Committee is deliberately targeting Overwatch players in Florida with anti-Trump game-specific adverts:

http://www.avclub.com/article/donald-trump-every-asshole-youve-ever-played-games-244241

trump had no other play. he could have apologized, owned his disgrace, and tried to be a better person in his waning years but that would not help him further his ambitions. to continue to have any role in politics, he needed to lash out angrily the way he has.

dude has spent 70 years on this planet taking advantage of anyone he could, in whatever way he could. he's led a disgraceful life and it's finally caught up to him.

the flip to the apology script i guess is that all these women who were still abused by trump may have still come forward and then he has to actively engage with his demons which is literally not possible for him to do, so i think the wheels were off before the car got started anyway

xps

Trump's rise + fall definitely has a uniquely American epic feel to it, looking forward to his final humiliation for the denouement

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lol at the DailyKOS-ness of this DailyKOS article that basically sucks its own winky:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/14/1582404/-Housekeeping-note-transitioning-to-our-own-poll-aggregating-model-Clinton-still-crushing-it

i hope he doesn't die in the next few years bc you know the conspiracy theories will be endless and intolerable

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuwFc6HWYAAacq-.jpg:large

also lol

http://media2.fdncms.com/indyweek/imager/u/original/5074903/screen_shot_2016-10-12_at_6.07.59_am.png

Was this the threatened Trump/Pence "proof"?

http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/trump-camp-puts-forward-witness-to-refute-sex-assault-claim/

Gilberthorpe made headlines in 2014, when he went public with a claim that as a 17-year-old he procured boys (some who “could have been” underage”) for sex parties with high-ranking British politicians.

Gilberthorpe has no evidence to back up his claim — just his self-described excellent memory.

it's also probably relevant how easily believable the accusations are, and what a terrible job he's done at trying to combat the hit to his image. i'm not sure if getting out in front of this and denouncing the tape strenuously, apologizing publically, and owning the shame would have been a better play (the mere presence of a sincere-sounding trump apology might have been beneficial for shock value alone) but it couldn't have been a worse one than the one he chose

is there ANY way to combat what's come out though? you sincerely apologize and make it clear that you never do what you said you did on the tape, then what do you do once the accusers start coming out? you can't just admit "yeah I sexually assault women, but I'm sorry", your campaign would be even deader than it is now. at this point "the Jews and the Mexicans are conspiring against me" is probably his best play in all honesty

yeah I'm not sure what he can apologize for; maybe his mom can for having him?

I was thinking earlier about Kushner's involvement in all this and how he is simultaneously embodying the classical Jewish stereotype (amoral accumulation of wealth through nefarious means) while also working with someone who actively exploits and foments hatred of Jews based on that stereotype. It is so fucking bizarre, what kind of mental contortions does that guy go through. Must have been a grim Yom Kippur this year...

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there is no great way to combat what's coming out

but trying to make bill clinton an issue was a terrible, terrible plan because it just keeps people on the subject of scummy guys - a group that hillary clinton does not belong to

but she stuck by a scummy guy! Just like the GOP should stick by THEIR scummy... waitaminit

https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/status/787045742900875265

looool

Yeah, and it's hard to argue with people dredging up old bad things when you're actively dredging up old bad things. But then again, he is a giant child, and there is a certain irrational logic at work. I can imagine him saying that pursuing Clinton dirt is OK because it is important and relevant but pursuing his own past is not OK, because it is not relevant, and besides, he would never do those things. And if he did, everyone was doing it. But not him.

The part that Clinton detractors want to forget and omit in public discussion is that the Bubba-Lewinsky tryst was consensual, and, as the evidence shoes, she did most of the pursuing.

it was a dress not shoes iirc

yeah I'm not sure what he can apologize for

There's a certain horror to the fact that Trump's open racism and misogyny, his advocacy of torture, his insults to the Khans, his nonsensical 'build the wall' position, his barely concealed hypocrisy about religion, his open ignorance about the nuclear triad, his bragging about knowing more than the generals, his endless insults to muslims, his shameless shilling for his own businesses, and much more in a similar vein was not enough to cause his downfall or disqualify him in the eyes of many voters. There is an even deeper horror in the realization that he's still likely to get more than 40% of the votes cast in November, even after all this.

lol wins

spinach dip

He shoed me!