The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

i think that got snopes-ed as fake a while back

Nope - http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

Ragin' Rudy admits he made an oopsie!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/giuliani-admits-wrong-clinton-9-11-071733679--election.html

per CNN reporter dan merica:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CurQC1DWYAEe_bK.jpg:small

that's been running around fb for over a year as fodder for gullible liberals (the trump 'quote')

what a beta xp

HRC: good for people, and cats

it's at least in part a complete sop to a voting bloc she already has on lockdown, but fuck it, i loled

http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-complains-entire-personality-rigged-against--54174

@ABCLiz
For those interested: Clinton said gifs with a hard "G"
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i've never been more with her

Great Guardian essay on the class gulf separating media types from everyone else, and how that feeds weird narrative about white working class folk:

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/oct/13/liberal-media-bias-working-class-americans

When we talked, Zaitchik mentioned HBO talk-show host Bill Maher, who he pointed out “basically makes eugenics-level arguments about anyone who votes for Donald Trump having congenital defects. You would never get away with talking that way about any other group of people and still have a TV show.”

Maher is, perhaps, the pinnacle of classist smugness. In the summer of 1998, when I was 17 and just out of high school, I worked at a grain elevator during the wheat harvest. An elevator 50 miles east in Haysville, Kansas, exploded (grain dust is highly combustible), killing seven workers. The accident rattled my community and reminded us about the physical dangers my family and I often faced as farmers.

[...]

Media fascination with the hateful white Trump voter fuels the theory, now in fashion, that bigotry is the only explanation for supporting him. Certainly, financial struggle does not predict a soft spot for Trump, as cash-strapped people of color – who face the threat of his racism and xenophobia, and who resoundingly reject him, by all available measures – can attest. However, one imagines that elite white liberals who maintain an air of ethical grandness this election season would have a harder time thinking globally about trade and immigration if it were their factory job that was lost and their community that was decimated.

Affluent analysts who oppose Trump, though, have a way of taking a systemic view when examining social woes but viewing their place on the political continuum as a triumph of individual character. Most of them presumably inherited their political bent, just like most of those in “red” America did. If you were handed liberalism, give yourself no pats on the back for your vote against Trump.

https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/786672386309496832?s=09

love the twitter detectives at work here

how does clinton prounce "gigabyte"

However, one imagines that elite white liberals who maintain an air of ethical grandness this election season would have a harder time thinking globally about trade and immigration if it were their factory job that was lost and their community that was decimated

bit of a fallacy here - I don't think it was "elite white liberals", by and large, that voted for the policies that decimated those communities.

There are plenty of rich Trump supporters too. I wonder, however, if they are really dumb enough to buy into all the breitbart conspiracy bullshit he was going on about today.

Yes. Yes, they are. Guys like what's his face, the CEO of Home Depot, was on FOX the other day pulling every single "What about Bill Clinton card?" that the Breitbart crowd fever swamp deals in. They're ALL that dumb.

http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2016/10/uncle-luke-remembers-party-donald-trumps-wild-leave/?trackback=fbshare_top_flat_4

lol @ this little bit on Breitbart:

Hillary’s combative behavior is nothing new; she’s been that way all her life. For my 2005 book The Truth About Hillary, I interviewed Hillary’s grammar school classmate, Jim Yrigoyen, who told me the story of being ordered by Hillary to guard a warren of baby rabbits, and not give any of them away to neighborhood boys. When he did, recalled Yrigoyen, “Hillary hauled off and punched me in the nose.”

not exactly a good argument against Hillary IMO

At this point in his campaign, given by what he's said, his supporters are fair game. Is it elitist sneering to be against sexual assault and demagoguery?

Affluent analysts who oppose Trump, though, have a way of taking a systemic view when examining social woes but viewing their place on the political continuum as a triumph of individual character

it's also weird to ascribe this solely to "affluent analysts" too since it's absolutely true for their opposites.

tbh I find the concept of "affluent analysts" sort of laughable, not v many of them live David Brooks' lifestyle afaik. journalists don't get paid shit.

Hillary OTM

If anything, I think the media has been too polite about describing the creeps who are (still) voting for Trump. Esp. after it was found that the average Trump voter was better-off than the average Clinton voter.

It's true that analysts and journalists have been indoctrinated with a level of civility just by having (for the most part) attended a liberal-arts university. That's a good thing. At this point, I really don't see how Trump voters are deserving of anything other than scorn. It's way past pity time.

And the final paragraph is just comparing lazy stereotypes as well. The whole stereotyping of the Trump voter probably has a lot to do with his campaign relying on fascist-style rallies for getting his message out. The media has been awful this election, but they're also reporting on the story they're being sold.

I think the point of the piece was that the view of the avg Trump voter _was_ way off, that pundits and talking heads are so disconnected from working class types they could easily lay the bulk of Trump's support at their feet. Similar to Patterson Hood's line about racism being a huge problem everywhere but it's always depicted as using a Southern accent(I'm butchering this ref, I think).

Yet, it is white working-class people like Betty

it's always Barney or Fred's fault.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-is-history-what-about-the-country/2016/10/13/7821a2a0-9168-11e6-9c85-ac42097b8cc0_story.html?utm_term=.28185fc4f98b

this seems almost completely wrong, oddly. Why would Trump have any power in the party post-election? He won't have elected office (he certainly isn't going to pursue anything lower than the presidency, come on), he has no allies in the party apparatus, and he's not exactly going to assume the role of kingmaker/lobbyist/fundraiser (since he hates giving anybody else money). Now, his *voting base* isn't going to go away - because that's the GOP's voters! - but I don't see how there's any scenario where Trump himself remains a power in the party.

also entertaining this dopey theory that Trump is secretly planning a new media empire is ridiculous, as has been pointed out on this thread repeatedly. Creating a new cable news network is a money-losing proposition, a late entry into a crowded field that is already hemorrhaging money from an outmoded model. Is he gonna start his own streaming channel/a new website? who cares? small potatoes in a crowded sea of potatoes. if he wants to be a media commentator with his own kingdom he'll just turn into another Drudge/Breitbart/NRO/Glenn Beck/whoever. No matter what he does it will be a step down. That combined with the fact that he's liable to be tied up in court for years after this hardly point to his becoming a political player with any staying power. He's done.

and then Zakaria indulges in premature eulogizing - the party isn't going to die, it's leadership is gonna get eaten alive (most likely) by their rabid constituents, who will elect more morons, who will further damage the party's national profile, rinse and repeat. It's possible there will be a downward spiral for a few years/cycles but if Hillary really fucks things up I can totally see a resurgent GOP as early as the 2018 mid-terms. Trump isn't doing *that* badly. If GOP candidates could just peel off 15% of otherwise conservative "centrists" who were repelled this time around, the party would be back in the driver's seat.

what trump did to an entire generation of future GOP stars was pretty crazy, he was like a horror movie villain knocking off abhorrent teens one after another. ted cruz might be the "final girl" in this scenario but who knows.

Ted Cruz may still be a virgin, so there's that in the "Final Girl" column.

lol

also entertaining this dopey theory that Trump is secretly planning a new media empire is ridiculous, as has been pointed out on this thread repeatedly. Creating a new cable news network is a money-losing proposition, a late entry into a crowded field that is already hemorrhaging money from an outmoded model. Is he gonna start his own streaming channel/a new website? who cares? small potatoes in a crowded sea of potatoes. if he wants to be a media commentator with his own kingdom he'll just turn into another Drudge/Breitbart/NRO/Glenn Beck/whoever. No matter what he does it will be a step down. That combined with the fact that he's liable to be tied up in court for years after this hardly point to his becoming a political player with any staying power. He's done.

someone else is going to do all the work, he's gonna toss the trump name onto it. being another fox news - possibly even replacing it - is pretty big. and it's a way to stay 'in power' for a long time, more than making another shitty reality tv show or whatever. conservative media completely runs the republican party at this point.

conservative media completely runs the republican party at this point.

and they are running it in ever-tightening circles

a late entry into a crowded field

This hasn't deterred past Trump business ventures.

a money-losing proposition, a late entry into a crowded field that is already hemorrhaging money from an outmoded model

fox news very profitable btw

unfortunately i can easily see a Trump/Breitbart network doing vv well, there are a ton of celebrity pundit shitheads who could populate its airwaves w/shows, finally broken free from the libtard shackles of Fox.

So weren't there intimations that the alleged bombshells in the waiting might land ... tomorrow?

He was basically quoting the protocols of the elders of zion in palm beach today. I think that should be a bombshell.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/13/donald-trump-called-deaf-apprentice-marlee-matlin-retarded.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

jesus

Good start

You guys are crazy i will put money on this trump tv thing not happening

One of my high school acquaintances/Wikileaks fans/Trumpkins is on FB with a screenshot of an email claiming that John Podesta helped have Antonin Scalia murdered.

xxxp if there's tape of that anywhere please oh please let someone release it

Once you've lost the deaf female Oscar winner vote, you've lost the election.

can't believe there hasn't been a screenshot of Killary's *actual* kill list

Morbs is gone we don't have to talk like that anymore

Some wags have already noted that Weiner's continued existence is proof that she doesn't have people killed.

The Fox News audience is shrinking and buoyed by a small core of people who watch it 24/7. Trump TV can't count on millennial racists to do that. Maybe an online thing could work but that's already Breitbart and not big enough for The Donald.

His 2020 third-party run is going to be sweet, though.

oh man the only thing better than that would be a Cruz GOP nom (which will never ever happen :-/) to go along with it

Seems like a big selling point for FNN to court advertisers is the fact the channel is default programming in so many restaurants, motel lobbies, lounges etc...and no matter how hard they try, Trump's venture will never have that accessibility.