Rolling US Economy Into The Shitbin Thread

205-228

The finagling for more Ayes meant they lost one???

http://www.cnn.com/US/9707/12/blackout/daily.news.lg.jpg

LOL at Dow down 12

CONGRESS WILL NOT EAT IT

clerk.house.gov is down

cnn: The measure needs 218 votes for passage. Democrats voted 141 to 94 in favor of the plan, while Republicans voted 65 to 133 against. That left the measure with 206 votes for and 227 against.

So is this Republican uproar because many members of Congress don't want to be punished, being 'accused' of being Bush-followers? They want to keep their seat, no?

being punished on election day that is

The House debate was heated and, occasionally, emotional up to the last minute, as illustrated by the remarks of two California lawmakers.

Representative Darrell Issa, a Republican, said he was “resolute” in his opposition to the measure because it would betray party principles and amount to “a coffin on top of Ronald Reagan’s coffin

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/BUSINESS/09/29/us.congress.bailout.deal/nyse.t1wide.jpg

to paraphrase- "this deal failed because all of their side were too partisan"

wait, "a coffin on top of a coffin"? Really? Someone said that?

was issa in the funeral home game before getting into congress?

I'm not even sure how to interpret that coffin line, but it's got some poetry.

Issa's...a character. (He's the guy who pushed for the Gray Davis recall in California in the hopes of being the candidate -- and then Arnold announced.)

The economy may tank because some Republicans don't want funeral industry lobbyists to funnel pork into the form of coffins on top of Reagan's coffin, see.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/04/03/2008-04-03_gop_rep_darrell_issa_under_fire_from_eve.html

Even the name Issa is very Jar Jar Binks.

obama win speech

Eric Canton (GOP) a while ago on CNN: "It's all Nancy Pelosi's fault!"

This fucking guy.

Cantor. Fuck that guy, imho.

Fault? I don't get it.

Wouldn't a GOP stalwart think this is a moment of blazing glory? A vindication of the free market? Proof that vox populi, vox dei and the GOP is its prophet?

Protest happening now outside the House STOP DOUBLE COFFINING pictures at 11

hahahahaha the chart at the top of this thread today!

So is this Republican uproar because many members of Congress don't want to be punished, being 'accused' of being Bush-followers? They want to keep their seat, no?

yes but also because a lot of those guys are actual ideologues who really believe what they say about hating government etc. and the people who elected them do too. i'm sure local talk radio shows all over the country are burning up with people screaming about socialism.

Fault? I don't get it.

Wouldn't a GOP stalwart think this is a moment of blazing glory? A vindication of the free market? Proof that vox populi, vox dei and the GOP is its prophet?

― Aimless, Monday, September 29, 2008 7:09 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark

He was on a tangent, saying how both parties had agreed to save AMERICA, but then Pelosi comes along with a speech that sets each party down firmly on both sides of the aisle again. Right.

It's like this commenter on BBC World Service said:

Every republican wants this bill to pass, but no one wants to be the one voting for it.

When Main Street, Anytown, U.S.A. gets a load of its collective 401K shrunk by 60%, they it'll change its tune. Cue the lamentations of the women! Get those extras flogging the ground with their hair, beating their chests and pouring ashes on their heads. Cameras! Action!

Cue the hyperbolic ILX posts!

sorry, not tangent, but tantrum

xxxpost

So Aimless, that covers 40% of America; what about the 60% that don't have 401(k)s?

Real anguish on the GOP side:

Well, apparently the House Republicans have decided to run a neat little experiment to test the actual odds of the current financial crisis turning into another Depression in the absence of a bailout plan. What alternative do they propose that could realistically be enacted? How long do they think this would take, and what risks would we run during the period of uncertainty, even if it were successful?

I have no visibility into the current machinations on Capitol Hill, but I'm with Noah Millman: as far as I can see, if I were a senior Democrat right now, I'd introduce a Democratic alternative tomorrow and pass it on a party line vote.

I sure hope House Republicans are holding some cards they haven't yet revealed.

"street fighting man" just came up on itunes shuffle mode.

COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT.

'scuse me while I go stab local merchant in order to obtain a baguette.

Bad for McCain [Ramesh Ponnuru]

Not that it's the most important fallout, but this vote is very bad for McCain. He was trying to get House Republicans on board, after all, and he failed. Blaming the Democrats for the failure will not and should not work, given the ratios on both sides.

But several conservatives voted for the bill, including Blunt, Boehner, Camp, Cantor, Kline, Lungren, McCrery, Putnam, (Paul) Ryan, Tancredo, Weldon, (Joe) Wilson. I think they made the right call.

hyperbole is fun

the non-401Ks will be eating corn dodgers and swimming in schadenfreude.

yes but also because a lot of those guys are actual ideologues who really believe what they say about hating government etc. and the people who elected them do too. i'm sure local talk radio shows all over the country are burning up with people screaming about socialism.

― tipsy mothra, Monday, September 29, 2008 7:12 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Ah, so now they're not only in the position to blame 'socialism', but also the government? But where does that leave the GOP, I mean, at all? How believable can you still be if you're a republican, detest the republican president, but would still want all the people to vote for you - republican - come november?

In her speech before the vote, Pelosi, a California Democrat, said the Bush administration's policies were ``built on budgetary recklessness, on an anything-goes mentality, with no regulation, no supervision and no discipline in the system.''

That's what I call leadership.

That's what I call realism.

How believable can you still be if you're a republican, detest the republican president, but would still want all the people to vote for you - republican - come november?

Ahem:

Bailout bill fails vote in House

Believe it or not, the will of the American people -- We The People -- has been heard and the bailout bill, as presently constituted, has failed to pass the House of Representatives. I think they heard us loud and clear that not only will we not pay for Wall Street's errors, but we won't bail out the corruptocrats in Washington, either.

No, it's antagonism of the highest order. And if you really want something passed, you don't antagonize the other side right before a vote. Unless you're a retard or don't want the vote to pass.

nice comments on that blog alfred

Comments
of course the skank Pelosi blames the GOP even though 95 dems voted against it too.

I think these folks are all playing chicken if you ask me ....

Posted by: Cigar Mike Pancier at September 29, 2008 02:25 PM

Dems refuse to walk the plank, they have to blame someone else...It's pathetic if you ask me.

Posted by: readytoshoot at September 29, 2008 02:53 PM

Did you hear the skank pelosi's speech?

pure unadulterated evil she is.

Posted by: Cigar Mike Pancier at September 29, 2008 03:03 PM

"Unless you're a retard or don't want the vote to pass."

Can I vote both?

Dow really tanking now

No, it's antagonism of the highest order. And if you really want something passed, you don't antagonize the other side right before a vote. Unless you're a retard or don't want the vote to pass.

oh boo hoo

Dow really skanking now

shadenfreude, unless it eats my life savings

Bailout bill fails vote in House

Believe it or not, the will of the American people -- We The People -- has been heard and the bailout bill, as presently constituted, has failed to pass the House of Representatives. I think they heard us loud and clear that not only will we not pay for Wall Street's errors, but we won't bail out the corruptocrats in Washington, either.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn

Point taken. So it's not the republicans against the democrats, but the 'new' republicans versus the old 'ns, the old ones who refuse to listen to the people.

I've got no savings - weeeeeeeeee!

I guess no one has a roll call posted yet? The house.gov site doesn't seem to be responding at the moment. There were quite a few Democratic "no" votes too.

if you really want something passed, get rid of the infants who are willing to hold the credit markets hostage because some political rhetoric that they'd be perfectly happy to lay on the other side if they were in control makes them feel bad