Dilbert - C or D?

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you're just looking for my praise now!

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 00:28 (seven years ago) link

idk if there's something about being a cartoonist/writer that lends to really evaluating interpersonal relationships post-breakup or divorce but it's definitely a common theme. maybe lots of people have these thoughts and just lack the creative outlet

I suspect for people who have become accustomed to a creative schedule that demands fairly constant output, it's really difficult to separate any personal obsessions from sucking the work into their orbit, and maybe at a certain point that self awareness that serves as a barrier starts to crack, and then whoop bop a loo bop the snake eats itself.

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 02:53 (seven years ago) link

And of course for a lot of creative people a failed relationship or other really upsetting events can be fuel for genuinely valuable insights and expression that don't come across like a dog preaching that his own butthole contains the secrets of existence, but if your thing is pencil drawings of stubby dudes being sarcastic about society, the odds maybe aren't great

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 03:01 (seven years ago) link

Didn't he have some weird stroke or aphasia that made him unable to talk?
Any speculation that his jerk logorrhea is an untreated medical symptom?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 06:00 (seven years ago) link

I think he's always been this way; you can definitely see the signs in his early writing, which at least held it together by attempting to be funny most of the time.

To be honest I don't think he puts much thought into Dilbert anymore, and probably hasn't for what, 15 years? I think he admitted he crowdsources most of the jokes and does it solely for the money now; he cares way more about his books/blog/Twitter account. I think he's all in on Trump now because a Trump victory would make Adams look like some kind of sage, and he might feel he can parlay that into a nice book deal and a second career as a pundit or political advisor. I think he's convinced himself that he's way too smart to just go down in history as "the Dilbert guy" and is looking for a way out.

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 12:27 (seven years ago) link

I guess he doesn't have the chops to go the Jim Davis route and open a Dilbert fine art gallery

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 14:24 (seven years ago) link

Why doesn't he hypnotise himself to be a better artist?

Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 14:26 (seven years ago) link

cuz he's proud of being a terrible artist - he loves to boast that he's made millions and millions as a cartoonist despite sucking at it, therefore he must be some sort of singular genius

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 14:29 (seven years ago) link

This thread made me think of Garfield last night - so I started reading it and found out that Jon is now dating Liz, and Liz now has ginormous, poorly-drawn lips.

https://thecomicninja.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/garfield-lost-my-shoes.gif

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 14:39 (seven years ago) link

I wonder what poor sucker is actually writing/drawing it

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 14:41 (seven years ago) link

Davis consults heavily with the head writer, it's been drawn by Paws staff since about 1979

Shakey δσς (sic), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link

"plenty of foot paint" is actually a pretty good/weird line

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 15:43 (seven years ago) link

I know, sic! Has anyone ever written about Paws, Inc. and who actually works on staff? It'd be an interesting subject for a profile/interview, at least to me.

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 15:52 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC0Mi5jXg88

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 15:53 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, there was a huge RC Harvey profile revised on the Journal a few years ago. A guy called Brett Koth is the co-writer, he and Davis each do layouts as part of the writing, and Gary Barker has been the penciller for decades.

(Koth was hired away from Marvel animation to draw US Acres, ended up writing it too, and moved to writing Garfield when it was axed. Barker also draws a Boom! Garfield comic that Mark Evanier writes. Evanier has also written and voice directed pretty much every Garfield TV cartoon since 1988. I guess Davis sticks with people as long as they want to stick with him.)

Shakey δσς (sic), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 16:08 (seven years ago) link

that garfield video is totally what I expected, and yet somehow edifying/clarifying. love the moment when jim davis adds his signature to three other people's work, and how they almost go out of their way to not give you a close-up of any kind of the 'thumbnail sketch' he supposedly started things off with.

DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 16:09 (seven years ago) link

omg @ Dilbert/Cerebus mashup

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 16:19 (seven years ago) link

I guess Davis sticks with people

ha, new penciller/letterer was the letterer for over a decade before apparently levelling up

Shakey δσς (sic), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 16:28 (seven years ago) link

classic small office problems, no career path when there's only a few of you

I'll have to track down that Harvey profile

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 12 October 2016 17:56 (seven years ago) link

Body oils?

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link

i like that the still image on that youtube of "How Garfield is Drawn" is a guy standing over what looks like a xerox machine

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Thursday, 13 October 2016 03:22 (seven years ago) link

Jesus Christ, he is a bitter old man:

Anyway, getting to the point of this post, if Clinton wins, it will be because women voted for her in landslide proportions while men (on average) preferred Trump. And that means two things of historic importance.

1. We will elect the first woman to be President of the United States. That’s good for everyone.

and…

2. Everything that goes wrong with the country from this point forward is women’s fault.

I feel some relief about that. The next four years are likely to be some of the worst in our country’s history. The Republican establishment will make sure of that because a failed America is in their best interest in the short run. Four years from now they want to offer their chosen savior (Paul Ryan). Trump would have a good chance of bullying the Republican establishment as he has done so far. Clinton, not so much. She’ll be buried in scandals, both real and imagined.

Men had a good run. We invented almost everything, and that’s cool. But we also started all of the wars and committed most of the crimes. It’s a mixed record to be sure. Now it’s time for something different, apparently.

Hillary Clinton is all yours, ladies. She and her alleged rapist husband are your brand now. Wear them well.

frogbs, Thursday, 13 October 2016 13:57 (seven years ago) link

leaving aside the many breathtakingly wrongheaded statements in those few paragraphs for now, if paul ryan is the best the gop have to offer in 2020 then they're super-double-fucked

doo-doo diplomacy (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 October 2016 14:02 (seven years ago) link

Thanks, women!

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Thursday, 13 October 2016 14:21 (seven years ago) link

He just fails on so many levels - logic, prognostication, analysis, his pathological misunderstanding of how gender works - no wonder he's a Trump fan.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:08 (seven years ago) link

he did okay when his predictions were purposely vague and outlandish like "evolution will be disproven in the next century"

problem is now he's actually predicting specific things which are easily disprovable - in fact he's getting things so blatantly, hilariously wrong that I can't imagine he'll have any reputation left when it's all over.

frogbs, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:26 (seven years ago) link

did he really predict evolution will be disproven? is he a christian nut too??

Mordy, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link

no, he just stated it "doesn't pass the sniff test" or whatever

it's a dumb prediction, he's just casting it out there so he can look like a genius in case any big discoveries are made

frogbs, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:32 (seven years ago) link

Thanks, women!

"ladies" rather

anatol_merklich, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:44 (seven years ago) link

I think I've said it before but "evolution will be disproven" is such a vague assertion depending on how you define evolution that there are a half dozen studies you could point to right now and say, "hah! see, evolution is wrong!"

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link

but nothing that disproves the fundamental idea that species have changed over time

Mordy, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:49 (seven years ago) link

well yeah but the idea has never been to contribute to critical thought, it's been to come off like a genius who has a better intuition about the nature of life and the universe than everyone else

frogbs, Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link

uh yeah but that wasn't what he really meant by evolution xp

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Thursday, 13 October 2016 16:44 (seven years ago) link

what did he mean? if you say you're going to disprove evolution it's not sufficient to disprove some minor feature.

Mordy, Thursday, 13 October 2016 16:51 (seven years ago) link

I think you're not familiar with people who make arguments like this. You make some assertion, and whether it's really vague or not, you later claim something proves you right. If someone says "yeah, but you said evolution, not macroevolution of humans" and then they just act like you're an idiot for thinking they meant all evolution.

mh 😏, Thursday, 13 October 2016 16:56 (seven years ago) link

yeah, you're probably right. my entire exposure to evolution denial is fundamentalist religious denial which is full scale denial (since humans were created from dust in the garden of eden - they didn't come from monkeys).

Mordy, Thursday, 13 October 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link

How did Adams get to be the kind of person people talk about, exactly? I mean, beyond the fact that it's fun talking about idiots.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 13 October 2016 17:05 (seven years ago) link

he was able to glom himself onto the loose twitter/internet coalition of aggrieved fake-deep men in an election season

goole, Thursday, 13 October 2016 18:02 (seven years ago) link

he was one of the first people to offer an explanation of why so many people were voting Trump that wasn't "racism" and I think a lot of media outlets liked that

frogbs, Thursday, 13 October 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link

of course his explanation was "hypnotism"

Mordy, Thursday, 13 October 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link

a person who recognizes idiocy, and having monetized it, is now committed to its perfection and continuation.

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Thursday, 13 October 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link

@ScottAdamsSays
Is Twitter shadowbanning me? If so, I see it as treason: bit.ly/2eiLsfF #Trump #Clinton

didn't click through but i'm sure it's v. convincing

mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link

can y'all PLEASE tell this guy you aren't seeing his tweets so we can watch him attempt to take down Twitter

frogbs, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 16:42 (seven years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvEgavlXYAA9zsN.jpg:small

mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 18:43 (seven years ago) link

trolling at this point

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link

lol

DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 00:29 (seven years ago) link

going hard in the airplane lane

mh 😏, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 01:20 (seven years ago) link

in five seconds an alpha is about to speak

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 01:22 (seven years ago) link

Echidne thinks he might be depressed:

http://echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com/2016/10/where-echidne-dons-her-pseudo.html

I think the consensus here is that's a bit generous

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 03:33 (seven years ago) link


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