The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

Everything is about preserving their majorities -- no thought is given to how it will looo that they stood by trump in five years, when people look back on this election as the moment America narrowly avoided fascism.

― Treeship, Monday, October 10, 2016 6:06 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbf America doesn't remember anything

― Οὖτις, Monday, October 10, 2016 6:07 PM (twelve minutes ago)

^^^

GOP party, such as it is, will not punish Trumpists ("better to have them in the tent pissing out than on the outside pissing in") - but there will be Trumpists who do not forgive the perceived apostasy of the leadership, and they will be emboldened and vituperative.

How many ride or die Trump supporters are in the House?

well there's the Freedom Caucus (whose membership is secret lol)

As first Executive Order Hillary please to ban future usage of "pussy" as a pejorative adjective

I'm sure Trump is well loved by a big chunk of Ryan's caucus, there's no doubt about it.

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Trump would love to twist off a chunk of Ryan's caucus atm

Grab 'em by the caucus.

The Huffington Post (!) publishing an article saying that "there are transcripts and we can authenticate them" isn't going to move any dials I'm afraid - the effect of the tape was that you could listen to it and was clearly him.

Yea his base will go LIES.

not sure what you guys are referring to

Thrilled about Corey Stewart being disavowed by the campaign because of the RNC protest (how bad do you need to be that Team TRUMP thinks you make them look bad?).

And Ryan unendorsing is just wonderful. There's a pile of Trumpists allegedly ready to vote for his Democratic challenger just out of spite.

I had really hoped for a Pencexit. Alas, not to be (or at least not yet), but those two developments have made my day.

Ryan didn't unendorse

he did the same bet-hedging he's done the entire time, more or less

"you were for trump before you were against him" doesn't seem like it's going to be a career killer for any of these GOP career people tbh, just fun to watch them squirm for now.

you guys were talking about this right? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-apprentice-transcript_us_57fbc511e4b0e655eab65823

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/donald-trump-beat-the-press-1787614014

thanks, Οὖτις, you are right (not unendorsing but simply not defending/campaigning)

There has been a flood of true reporting on Trump, but it has not been damaging. Only the sleaze, pried away from the gatekeepers of a mainstream organization and released to the public, briefly made a difference—and Trump faced right into it, lied about it, and moved on. The epistemic bubble around him, so thin and wobbly the night before, settled back into place. If the pussy-grab tape has a lasting effect, it will not be because it validates all the objective reporting that went before, but because it might pry loose more and worse tapes that the press has so far failed to get. In the hour and a half of the debate, the Trump Foundation, the con job that a reporter had so fully exposed, wasn’t mentioned at all.

otm. we're back to pre-tape levels

lol what are you basing that on

I honestly don't think the GOP is going to "learn" any lessons from this election, nor is the American public, who will promptly forget as much of this nightmarish election as quickly as possible.

otm, unless the democrats can actually put together an off-year GOTV operation, republicans are going to ride white nationalist fervor to electoral success in 2018

There has been a flood of true reporting on Trump, but it has not been damaging.

this is demonstrably false

republicans are going to ride white nationalist fervor to electoral success in 2018

you left out misogynist

Yeah that's the one, flappy bird - Phil D linked it above: The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

testament to Trump's abilities as a conman- btwn the tape and debate, the GOP and Trump's campaign were in meltdown. intense pressure to drop out. his VP was going to quit! he managed to mollified his base and the party just enough to get the narrative back to pre-tape level. which is still losing, but it really sucked watching him not lose his mind last night. he was either tired or had a valium beforehand, i wanted to see him coked up again.

*mollify

when is the reporting on Trump's secret drug habit going to happen? dude has to be a speed freak

the GOP and Trump's campaign were in meltdown = yes
intense pressure to drop out = not really
his VP was going to quit! = this was an unsubstantiated rumor
he managed to mollified his base and the party just enough to get the narrative back to pre-tape level = not really, and you have nothing definitive to base this on. No meaningful polls will be released for a couple of days at the least, and the post-debate narrative is still forming. It does not exactly look positive for Trump, and the "grab 'em by the pussy" tape is going to have cost him lasting damage w key demographics, I suspect.
he was either tired or had a valium beforehand, i wanted to see him coked up again = he was aggro and huffing and pacing and interrupting and snorting and wildly erratic, p much the same as before, it's just that this time he hit more key Trumpling talking points. dunno what debate you watched.

idk what kind of meltdown people expect, he's not going to turn into a quivering mass of jelly or punch Hillary in the face or something. this is a guy who has lived in front of TV cameras his whole life and his persona is set, no psychotic break is going to happen in front of millions of viewers.

i just fell into some internet hole involving claims that hillary clinton raped a woman named Cathy Obrien and they're all part of a satanic cult that kills children an animals. good times. looking forward to 8 years of this

Hillary listens to Slayer

the GOP met in DC Friday to figure out a contingency plan! he mollified the base with all the red meat at the debate. he got more and more aggro as it went on, i didn't say he wasn't a menacing asshole (the lurking), but he was comparatively sedate compared to last time. he just wasn't bouncing off the walls like last time. sniffling this time sounded like a cold. they weren't sharp coke sniffles. he didn't interrupt as much. i agree the tape alienated a huge swath of voters that won't come back, but in terms of media management, he recovered, or at least maintained just enough that more un-endorsements won't be coming until the next tape.

Trump listens to Extreme

Over/under on the date of the first Benghazi/e-mail special prosecutor vote?

i just fell into some internet hole involving claims that hillary clinton raped a woman named Cathy Obrien and they're all part of a satanic cult that kills children an animals. good times. looking forward to 8 years of this

― akm, Tuesday, October 11, 2016 12:10 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wait til Chelsea starts her political career, we should start predicting the conspiracy theories and the Morbius nicknames now.

I think by 'contingency plan' the GOP meeting was about saving all the other people who were sinking on the Titanic with him, not actually planning on a new candidate. That cannot happen realistically and even if it was it would be worse for the GOP on Election Day.

glad pence is sticking it out, tbh, i would assume trump's backup would be someone like gingrich, who is for sure a stronger right hand man. maybe i'm giving him too much credit, though, and he'd pick Carson.

newt is fun at least

On the subject of further October surprises, I'd rate the chances Trump has at least a moderate number of questionable prescription drugs at his disposal as fairly likely. His doctor seems like a very compliant chap and celebrities in general tend to develop a liking for various drugs, both legal and illegal. That said, I'm guessing we won't see any big revelations of ongoing drug abuse before election day. There's be more rumors and they'd have started sooner.

in a US context when was the last time white ppl were considered to have "rioted"
i feel like that term is entirely racially aligned at this point

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40)

Isla Vista riots?

http://dailynexus.com/2010-02-25/forty-years-ago-a-mob-of-students-stormed-the-bank-of-america-building/

the foundation stuff is v unsexy for the same reason the email stuff is it puts americans to sleep zzzz

he got more and more aggro as it went on

Kind of curious as to whether you saw the first half hour!

good god I hadn't watched Trump in action in more than a year until last night, when some fuckball switched Sunday Night Football during a commercial to the debate.

He's so much worse than I had even imagined.

Creepier, smarmier, meaner, dumber, just worse on every level

then my dad sends me this George Will column (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440925/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-debate) which I guess means that my dad is even disgusted.

https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/785619081739264000

The only good George Will sentence in years he wrote in his own name: "Trump is a marvelously efficient acid bath, stripping away his supporters’ surfaces, exposing their skeletal essences."

There was this one moment from yesterdays debate that absolutely disgusted me, and the talk upthread about how the media actually has done really well reminded me of it. I know this is long, but it's kinda important. It's one of the most unhinged rants of Trump's, the one that ends with him saying he will get a prosecutor to wreck Hillary's life if he wins, and while the media did notice the horror of that part, note the overwhelming amount of bullshit in just two minutes, and then check out the breathtaking way Raddatz follows up on it.

TRUMP: Well, you owe the president an apology, because as you know very well, your campaign, Sidney Blumenthal — he’s another real winner that you have — and he’s the one that got this started, along with your campaign manager, and they were on television just two weeks ago, she was, saying exactly that. So you really owe him an apology. You’re the one that sent the pictures around your campaign, sent the pictures around with President Obama in a certain garb. That was long before I was ever involved, so you actually owe an apology.

Number two, Michelle Obama. I’ve gotten to see the commercials that they did on you. And I’ve gotten to see some of the most vicious commercials I’ve ever seen of Michelle Obama talking about you, Hillary.

So, you talk about friend? Go back and take a look at those commercials, a race where you lost fair and square, unlike the Bernie Sanders race, where you won, but not fair and square, in my opinion. And all you have to do is take a look at WikiLeaks and just see what they say about Bernie Sanders and see what Deborah Wasserman Schultz had in mind, because Bernie Sanders, between super-delegates and Deborah Wasserman Schultz, he never had a chance. And I was so surprised to see him sign on with the devil.

But when you talk about apology, I think the one that you should really be apologizing for and the thing that you should be apologizing for are the 33,000 e-mails that you deleted, and that you acid washed, and then the two boxes of e-mails and other things last week that were taken from an office and are now missing.

And I’ll tell you what. I didn’t think I’d say this, but I’m going to say it, and I hate to say it. But if I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation, because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. There has never been anything like it, and we’re going to have a special prosecutor.

When I speak, I go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. In my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the FBI are furious. There has never been anything like this, where e-mails — and you get a subpoena, you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena, you delete 33,000 e-mails, and then you acid wash them or bleach them, as you would say, very expensive process.

So we’re going to get a special prosecutor, and we’re going to look into it, because you know what? People have been — their lives have been destroyed for doing one-fifth of what you’ve done. And it’s a disgrace. And honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

RADDATZ: Secretary Clinton, I want to follow up on that.

(CROSSTALK)

RADDATZ: I’m going to let you talk about e-mails.

I didn't watch it, thank god, but I imagine that's just full recovery mode. "Reload your tabs from last time?"

https://twitter.com/ESQPolitics/status/785633172771966976

I haven't read a Will column in years until that one, Al. I'd forgotten how seriously he takes himself a la HEY SIMPLETONS LOOK AT MY ERUDITE PROSE.

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