WestWorld: ...Where nothing can possibly go worng!

huh --- i guess that makes sense, subs/etc are the same. as are, iirc (and to get back on topic), modern locomotives

Man I'm loving the Disneyland allegories- Hopkins is Walt, "The fans come back for the little details" etc. Agree that the maze is a super advanced thing for special fans like Club 33 or something. Thinking Ed H is more of an Adult Disney rather than a video game freak.

Is there some form of leger de main with a train in one of the original films. Not seen either in quite a while but am getting images of that from distant memory. Like they actually project the locale supposedly passed through onto something visible through the windows.

I like this fine. It is pretty. I'm worried that it's dramatically flimsy, though. I fear that its potential success is predicated on a series of gotcha reveals about who is/isn't a robutt, and the game-within-the-game, and moments of drawing back a curtain to say ~look, the answer was in front of you the whole time, see? ~ and that such things are weak devices for a continuing series. There are a lot of characters with storylines that are being dribbled out in miniscule proportions, and the rapid shuffling of plots seems designed to make it seem like more has happened than really has.

Things I think have happened.

The blonde robot lady is an old robot who has been used in other modules, and she's got a gun and is becoming conscious and maybe free-willed. .
So is the guy who was her father, but isn't her father any anymore because another guy is her father now.
Anthony Hopkins plays David Attenborough, and he's up to something and is releasing a new DLC that nobody knows about. Possibly he is a robot. A church, a child, and a snake are involved. He can control the snakes, but probably will die rom a snakebite.
Jeffrey Wright has a robot wife, or not?
Thandie Newton wakes up mid-surgery, and runs around nekkid in the backstage area.
The Good StoryLine Guy doesn't understand anything.
There's a lot of drama laid on pretty thick w/r/t to the humiliation of the robots. It is laid on by humiliating the robots, and having people stand without clothes for the pleasure of the viewing audience.

I like the idea that Hopkins' character might die from a snakebite, like Cleopatra and the asp. What did we do before Chekhov's Gun?

waited for the play to start

like, this show seems to be fairly unclear on the distinction between mystery, suspense, and dramatic irony, and feel they are all equally compelling. but mystery occasioned by not knowing significant crap because of deliberately blindered POV characters is a pretty weak form of engaging an audience. and it doesn't reward repeat viewing. and if mysteries are just mysteries because the camera cuts away at significant times or the characters are super laconic, or if they whisper things the audience can't hear it's just kind of a neener-neener-neener from the show's writing staff.

imo Jeffrey Wright is the robutt and has no idea but the boss who is banging him and David Attenborough both know

I think good storyline guy thinks he's Quentin Tarantino writing a spaghetti
western but he's more like the Boondocks Saints guy writing a John Wayne movie

That is an excellent analogy, we're just trading compliments now

You guys have seen blade runner , right?

Cause it's the same shit

I'm seeing a lot of Miller/Darrow's Hard Boiled in this.

Caprica did it well!

Blade Runner had a lot more going for it than wondering who was/wasn't a synthetic iPods or whatever

I want them to show the pre-Wild Bill android and it's Chappie

Caprica was fun as I recall. How come people who imbue synthetic life with consciousness always seem to smoke btw?

noir affectation + forbidden habit that is still relatable

if it didn't smell horrible, stain everything, make you look like a melted candle and cause long-term health problems, it'd be great

all things that replicants don't care about and fictional cigarettes don't cause

They fixed all that stuff in the future

Notice we haven't see anyone vaping

The Einger: Our Craziest ‘Westworld’ Theories

I like Jason Concepcion's theory that the characters are modeled on Bartle's MUD player taxonomy. But I thought you guys would appreciate this:

Alison Herman: My craziest, most out-there Westworld theory is that … I refuse to have a Westworld theory. I do not believe there is anything to theorize about. What we see is genuinely what we get. Take that, Reddit!

Hear me out: Like so many lab rats, we’ve been trained to associate Nolan projects with batshit-crazy reveals. Add in J.J. “I Gave a TED Talk About How Much I Like Mysteries” Abrams and you’ve got a rock-solid case for the logic that most of the internet, including this question, is following, i.e., that something big is coming down the pipeline, and it’s our job to find out what it is. But what if Abrams and Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy Nolan are one step ahead of us? What if they’ve gone so far into twist territory that they’ve come out the other side? What if the twist is that there is no twist, and the most out-there speculation you can make is that there is no speculation to make?

they only dropped episode 2 early because of the debate, I guess

was kind of hoping I could watch it earlier this weekend

Man, Elsie (the lady host-technician) really hates her, uh, work environment

The first time they shot that scene, instead of explaining what the bicameral theory of the mind is, Jeffrey Wright just belched. Should've stuck with the first take.

if I wrote this: Anthony Hopkins is the robot created by Arnold, Arnold is hiding in the park and the map is his

Let it be said that I kind of want to give the third episode a hug for blowing up most of my hypotheses and making me just look forward to whatever happens next. Damn the guns of Chekhov! I'm kind of genuinely worried about a couple of these people now!

Anthony Hopkins' character streamed bone tomahawk

~on TCM, of course~

OK goddamnit, I'm in for the season.

$40,000 a day huh?

lol Sufjan

There's still been no real anchoring time evident has there? I mean only times have been relative. Ed Harris storyline already being 30 years old, Anthony Hopkins having set the park up a certain amount of time ago. So could be 30 years or upwards away from now, just needs a time line where life like seeming androids are invented and computer memory has somewhat advanced.

Otherwise main points of technology are that hand held device related to the office landscape.

So still wonderig when it is actually set, though not sure how relevant to the story that is

Hoping the Julian Jaynes allusions are going to be a recurring theme!

uh, was that the smoke monster I heard?

they named it Arnold

fantheory where westworld is secretly revealed to be a prequel to lost and the island is the ruins of a theme park gone wrong

My theory is that westworld is just an adjunct to Wally world

going back a bit, i thought it was pretty clearly telegraphed that the boy Ford talks to in the desert is himself as a child (both British, both costumed in white shirts and black pants; the talk about the remark "both" their fathers made about boredom). not sure why he would make a host of himself

the fact that we don't get to see "arnold" in flashback suggests to me that arnold either doesn't actually exist, or that arnold is someone we've already been introduced to.

i'm a little puzzled about dolores' disappearing-reappearing gun.

she's glitching, for sure

tbh i have had those days

I saw that as rapidly flipping back and forth between the memories of all the variations on that scenario that she's lived through.

Super into this btw, which I did not expect.

did not expect to hear "Pissed up in SE1" on the piano roll this week.. the show is constantly bringing a smile to my face. will Wyatt's crew hurt the new guest? was Teddy tortured, or....?

really weird feelings about the implied rape revenge dynamic going on here

This is pretty neat

http://www.polygon.com/tv/2016/10/17/13306082/westworld-dolores-bioware-npc

This season is going to be one long MIB origin story.

I scanned this thread a bit before watching the first episode and was waiting for Michael Ian Black to show up.

I was waiting for Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones

what the hell maze game

Good to know that in the future bucket wheel loader technology hasn't changed one bit.

Also we seem to have gotten an answer to a question I had about whether 100% of the life in the park was artificial - Ford says he and Arnold were responsible for every blade of grass - but how does the ecosystem work then?

it was rhetorical

Does Delos have other themed parks juxtaposed to Westworld in this? The space they have seems vast as it is.

In the movie there were other theme parks--one of them Ancient Rome--but nu-WW runners say this isn't the case here (though they have lied before)