WestWorld: ...Where nothing can possibly go worng!

OH MY GOD THE DOUCHEBAG MCPOYLE BUDDY ACTOR IS PAOLO FROM NIKKI & PAOLO OH CHRIST IN HEAVEN NOOOO

at the end of the maze is damon lindelof who turns direct to camera and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯s as mib tearfully deletes his thirty year event log and starts all over again from the beginning

it was probably not intended to be read as such but a team of people in hazmat hosing the semen and blood off a room full of inert extras isn't such a bad commentary on HBO's product either (do u see)

xp really feel like my life has been improved by ignoring lost totally

30 years would be the age of the written programme which wouldn't necessarily corelate with the apparent age of the character.

Is he like a white blood cell cleaning up the set up or something?

he's a guest! which is why his actual ("actual") age is relevant

I was wondering if he was definitely a guest. That isn't going to be the twist - that he's a higher level of programming that people would assume is a guest because he appears to appear from the outside while he actually doesn't. Not sure anything's been established enough so far to give him an external background story, has it?

Did wonder on hearing that line about him being born thereabouts if that was some form of a clue.

i thought it had been leaked ahead of time that he was a guest (vs a host, like in the original)?

also seemed like he was being treated like a guest by the folks in the control room? "should we slow him down?" "no he can do what he likes" or something to that effect

it was probably not intended to be read as such but a team of people in hazmat hosing the semen and blood off a room full of inert extras isn't such a bad commentary on HBO's product either

I thought this was fully intentional, a "show 'em" bookend to the "tell 'em" line by the black hat guest in the beginning about guns and tits, man

pretty sure he's a guest who fully believes that he's found his true self by visiting Westworld, hence the disdain for all the "beginner" plots and reminiscing about all the times he's experienced things. "born here" is some evangelical-style rebirth stuff, or at least that's how it's presented so far

How about the white-hat nebbish introduced in this episode is actually Ed Harris 30 years prior.

*cocks eyebrow, extends pointer finger, taps temple 3 times*

unless they go completely crazy with a future setting, all the entrances/exits are via elevators and hidden doors
the train bit seemed to be elevators dropping them into the staging area into the world, with the train "coming out of a tunnel" to go across the landscape toward the town

reminds me a little of disney world, with the employee/entertainer doors being all over the park but very thinly disguised. so many locked/fake doors that aren't somewhere you'd want to wander, so you never think about them being actual routes that just aren't for visitors

I visited WDW in high school with my school orchestra and we played a little concert on one of the stages. The transition from "on set" to the "back stage" area is kind of jarring -- you never realize how many little details are set up to make things seamless inside the park until you go through a gate and suddenly everything is very functional instead of ornamental and there's a giant rack of costumes just sitting off to the side

unless they go completely crazy with a future setting, all the entrances/exits are via elevators and hidden doors
the train bit seemed to be elevators dropping them into the staging area into the world, with the train "coming out of a tunnel" to go across the landscape toward the town

― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, October 10, 2016 7:19 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was why I asked since it would break away from basic physical laws in a rather too magical way wouldn't it?
But it does seem that he goes down a corridor, through a door and is on a carriage in a moving train and the process is followed shortly afterwards by his friend.
You do see the light moving through the glass windows of the closed door in a way very reminiscent of a lift but it's onto a moving train.

Is the resort still called Delos in the reboot?

Yes.

Theory: white hat McPoyle introduced in this ep is past version of Ed Harris, his black hat friend gets killed, possibly by him, and the buried gun belonged to black hat friend. This season is going to be one long MIB origin story.

Also what's with the mouth on the lady scientist? She cursed more in one scene than all the faux saloon brawlers have together so far.

A dirty glass of cheap whiskey says white hat mcpoyle runs into Michael Wincott's host at some point and the music goes WAWOWEWAAA

Harris said "In a sense, I was born here"

it's shown in the first episode that the backstage area is actually in the same landscape as the park btw

You do see the light moving through the glass windows of the closed door in a way very reminiscent of a lift but it's onto a moving train.

It's on to a train car that seems to have some movement but the question "how do we get there?" seems like it'd be kind of silly if it felt like they were on a moving -- I figured they're dropped into the train car that has some illusion of movement, and the actual movement is when it pulls out of the "tunnel"

like idk maybe there's a teleporter but the simple explanation is they're dropped into a non-moving train that starts moving once everyone is on board

Dressing room car is on underground rails below the western train on parallel tracks - car switches on to a diagonal or perpendicular cantilever track, is carried up into a temporary gap between the western train cars, guest steps through door into the saloon car, dressing room rolls back down to underground tracks, western train cars close the gap.

I could draw this for you

it seems like there would be an easier way to transport the guests to the train

perhaps the guests could walk out onto a platform and step directly onto the train

Retrograde

televator

My 2nd favorite part of our cruise to Alaska was the opt-in guided tour of the engine room and all the kitchens and the bridge and such.

Kind of sad that you apparently have to ride for miles and serial murder a bunch of "crew" to get the same experience at a Delos resort. I'm just saying

well, they told you that was the engine room and the kitchen

could just be the show version they present to tourists

Every vacation you take is really just you and your fam buying some seats on the front half of the snowpiercer train. Think about it.

the simple explanation is they're dropped into a non-moving train that starts moving once everyone is on board

― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, October 10, 2016 1:52 PM (forty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thought this was p clear tbh

also man i would totally love a tour of the behind the scenes of an alaskan cruise ship that sounds boss

It is! Also I never knew cruise ships are all hybrid and have been for years (decades now I assume?). The fuel is only used to drive generators. Everything else including the propellers is electric.

huh --- i guess that makes sense, subs/etc are the same. as are, iirc (and to get back on topic), modern locomotives

Man I'm loving the Disneyland allegories- Hopkins is Walt, "The fans come back for the little details" etc. Agree that the maze is a super advanced thing for special fans like Club 33 or something. Thinking Ed H is more of an Adult Disney rather than a video game freak.

Is there some form of leger de main with a train in one of the original films. Not seen either in quite a while but am getting images of that from distant memory. Like they actually project the locale supposedly passed through onto something visible through the windows.

I like this fine. It is pretty. I'm worried that it's dramatically flimsy, though. I fear that its potential success is predicated on a series of gotcha reveals about who is/isn't a robutt, and the game-within-the-game, and moments of drawing back a curtain to say ~look, the answer was in front of you the whole time, see? ~ and that such things are weak devices for a continuing series. There are a lot of characters with storylines that are being dribbled out in miniscule proportions, and the rapid shuffling of plots seems designed to make it seem like more has happened than really has.

Things I think have happened.

The blonde robot lady is an old robot who has been used in other modules, and she's got a gun and is becoming conscious and maybe free-willed. .
So is the guy who was her father, but isn't her father any anymore because another guy is her father now.
Anthony Hopkins plays David Attenborough, and he's up to something and is releasing a new DLC that nobody knows about. Possibly he is a robot. A church, a child, and a snake are involved. He can control the snakes, but probably will die rom a snakebite.
Jeffrey Wright has a robot wife, or not?
Thandie Newton wakes up mid-surgery, and runs around nekkid in the backstage area.
The Good StoryLine Guy doesn't understand anything.
There's a lot of drama laid on pretty thick w/r/t to the humiliation of the robots. It is laid on by humiliating the robots, and having people stand without clothes for the pleasure of the viewing audience.

I like the idea that Hopkins' character might die from a snakebite, like Cleopatra and the asp. What did we do before Chekhov's Gun?

waited for the play to start

like, this show seems to be fairly unclear on the distinction between mystery, suspense, and dramatic irony, and feel they are all equally compelling. but mystery occasioned by not knowing significant crap because of deliberately blindered POV characters is a pretty weak form of engaging an audience. and it doesn't reward repeat viewing. and if mysteries are just mysteries because the camera cuts away at significant times or the characters are super laconic, or if they whisper things the audience can't hear it's just kind of a neener-neener-neener from the show's writing staff.

imo Jeffrey Wright is the robutt and has no idea but the boss who is banging him and David Attenborough both know

I think good storyline guy thinks he's Quentin Tarantino writing a spaghetti
western but he's more like the Boondocks Saints guy writing a John Wayne movie

That is an excellent analogy, we're just trading compliments now

You guys have seen blade runner , right?

Cause it's the same shit

I'm seeing a lot of Miller/Darrow's Hard Boiled in this.

Caprica did it well!

Blade Runner had a lot more going for it than wondering who was/wasn't a synthetic iPods or whatever

I want them to show the pre-Wild Bill android and it's Chappie