The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

Schwantz I'm pretty sure 100% of the GOP congressional caucus have guns already

Should have used xposts

i mean at this point both the strategic approach and the language are old as dirt but the vietnam and post-9/11 wars have kinda cemented a lot of associations there.

― DOCTOR CAISNO, BYCREATIVELABBUS (Doctor Casino), 10. oktober 2016 17:30 (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think a key difference for me is that, as a European child of the nineties, who went to school, high school, university, with Bosnians, Croats, Albanians, has worked with Serbians and Macedonians, those associations will just never be as cemented for me. I just don't have the same pessimism, never will. Hear different stories about western intervention, even from citizens of countries targeted by it.

Where's the fun in that?

FWIW I empathize with you but as others have pointed out the actual world already has plenty of what you're worried about going on in it already.

NBC poll (post-video, pre-debate) has Clinton up 46-35.

Clinton up 46-35

Nice. Now they just have to show up and vote.

i was wondering if there's be a post-debate bounce for trump but i suspect the numbers would be exactly the same. it's actually kind of amazing how that pre-debate stunt was such a failure, i hadn't watched it and thought it was more of a thing than it was, but i suspect it was intended to be a mere preview of the thing they tried to pull off. Giuliani is such a slimeball, I hope some enterprising producer digs up one of the women he treated like shit and ambushes him with her.

it looked totally gross and exploitative

https://twitter.com/EVanimal44/status/785333459392790528

Waaaaay xposts: Phil D., yeah horror movie stalker came to my mind too, although it wasn't Michael Myers it was Leatherface.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-support-falls-in-wake-of-lewd-video-new-poll-says-1476115225?tesla=y

2/3rds of GOP think party should stick by Trump

it looked totally gross and exploitative

And deplorable. And irredeemable.

heh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CualqR5WYAEj997.jpg

nice

ouch

http://theslot.jezebel.com/tiffany-trump-gives-her-father-a-very-chaste-pat-on-the-1787605307

he must've ran out of tic tacs

Yeah I hear everyone on the ancient queasiness about "we'll just advise the rebels," but this isn't an arena in which there are good choices.

1. Do nothing. You have the blood of innocents on your hands; you're ignoring post-Holocaust "never again" pledges.

2. Go in with full ground-troop intervention. You're an invading/occupying force waging a LAND WAR IN ASIA(tm); American sons and daughters are dying for a vague and/or questionable cause and questionable allies (again).

3. Some third way - air power, alliances, advising, special forces, invisible war gnomes?

http://www.esquire.com/style/news/g3016/ken-bone-sweater-style/

I'm going out of my way to a void Latinas For Trump chair, a friend of a good friend, on my Facebook feed.

i am in favor of invisible war gnomes

https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/785254221557993472

you forgot to add the blood of innocents to 2. also

already tired of hearing about ken bone tbh

yeah idgi

http://https%3A//media.giphy.com/media/Qw4X3FGwbHXZ0WZH1WU/giphy-facebook_s.jpg

people are really desperate for some levity, harder to blame them than usual imo

's a funny name...

http://https%3A//lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zSpZTmRUGZk/UppqecgQSSI/AAAAAAAAKdo/HOpMBgcf8wI/s720-no/24+-+Norm+Macdonald+as+Burt+Reynolds.jpg

ok well normmacdonaldasburtreynolds.img

game over

But in a sign that Republicans could suffer big down-ballot losses as a result of the new controversy, the poll found the Democrats’ advantage on the question of which party should control Congress widened to 7 percentage points, up from 3 percentage points in a Journal/NBC News survey last month.

xp to Mordy's twitter poll link - so around 10% of marriages are complete bullshit? Shocked, shocked etc

or they're just trying to keep the peace by lying (or avoiding talking politics). i mean not a great thing for a marriage imo but not necessarily "complete bullshit"

https://twitter.com/djperry1973/status/785302485963509760

this was my ultimate take on the debate, particularly Trump

i did not know, but could have guessed, that the cartoonist for the ny post is a sick puppy

http://www.caglecartoons.com/viewimage.asp?ID={29B1D885-1636-429B-AF08-7AA38E7E5630}

Holy fucking shit:

http://www.caglecartoons.com/viewimage.asp?ID={29B1D885-1636-429B-AF08-7AA38E7E5630}

For those who don't know, the cartoonist, Sean Delonas, worked for the New York Post for many years. He did this one back in 2009:

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-02-18-cartoon.jpg

Warren Buffett sent this out as a press release about an hour ago:

Answering a question last night about his $916 million income tax loss carryforward in 1995, Donald Trump stated that “Warren Buffett took a massive deduction.” Mr. Trump says he knows more about taxes than any other human. He has not seen my income tax returns. But I am happy to give him the facts.

My 2015 return shows adjusted gross income of $11,563,931. My deductions totaled $5,477,694, of which allowable charitable contributions were $3,469,179. All but $36,037 of the remainder was for state income taxes.

The total charitable contributions I made during the year were $2,858,057,970, of which more than $2.85 billion were not taken as deductions and never will be. Tax law properly limits charitable deductions.

My federal income tax for the year was $1,845,557. Returns for previous years are of a similar nature in respect to contributions, deductions and tax rates.

I have paid federal income tax every year since 1944, when I was 13. (Though, being a slow starter, I owed only $7 in tax that year.) I have copies of all 72 of my returns and none uses a carryforward.

Finally, I have been audited by the IRS multiple times and am currently being audited. I have no problem in releasing my tax information while under audit. Neither would Mr. Trump – at least he would have no legal problem.

related to the above, one of the espn stations' debate counterprogramming was this:
http://www.espn.com/30for30/film?page=small-potatoes-who-killed-the-usfl

https://twitter.com/ughHugs/status/785301585916198912

One of my favorite things about this has been Actual Billionaires like Buffett and Cuban treating Trump like the clown shoe he is. I'm just imagining him reading that Buffett release and smashing plates.

Seven minutes ago - it's on like Donkey Kong

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785530928256933888

Donald J. TrumpVerified account
‏@realDonaldTrump
Paul Ryan should spend more time on balancing the budget, jobs and illegal immigration and not waste his time on fighting Republican nominee

https://media.giphy.com/media/RHiD0K65NxxLO/giphy.gif

looool

paul ryan's unending torment is boundlessly entertaining

I don't think this has shown up yet today:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/10/10/trump-taj-mahal-closes-after-years-losses/91845566/

"Chill, broheem, we'll get to the budget."

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intel/2012/10/11/11-paul-ryan-time-p90x-2.w190.h190.2x.jpg

what a spineless fuck. all these guys prevaricating for a sec before endorsing Trump and then all of a sudden dropping their endorsements (sort of), and trying to save face... they deserve to lose their jobs

A month of Trump doing that would probably provide some cover for Ryan four years from now--he can pretend Trump went to war over the decisive action Ryan never actually took.

Not only a total lack of moral courage, but practical sense... they played themselves

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785344018108387329

realllllllly going for it.

still kinda nervous about his whole "rigged election" schtick. i know it probbbbbbbably won't happen but i shudder at the thought of ppl rioting over this

xp
It's one thing to get your eyebrows singed because you went too close to the dumpster fire, another to get burned alive because you jumped in.

Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump – Verified account ‏@realDonaldTrump

Paul Ryan should spend more time on balancing the budget, jobs and illegal immigration and not waste his time on fighting Republican nominee