The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

Was hoping Hillary would have had the opportunity to give Donald one of those Bush head nods.

http://i.imgur.com/4Okg2MY.gif

some of the first polls after Trump's leak have just come out (although all of them include polling from before the leak too). Rasmussen shows Clinton w/ a 7% national lead. Rasmussen. Ouch.

Iago is a sockpuppet, right? Polls show Clinton winning the debate, Trump falling further behind, and 'he' is continuing? That is not a real person, right?

And yeah, I knew who Kathy Shelton is, has for a long time. Her story is well known, no news there. Not like the genuinely new information that Trump used to brag about assaulting women, so probably won't stop that story, y'know?

Before the debate was shown on Danish television, they had a young conservative in the studio to explain why he supported Trump. More money for the military, basically. But he also said that Trump spoke his mind, for better or worse. Worse, because sometimes his lix count wasn't that high. And the moderator smiled and nodded, as a man said the problem with bragging about sexual assault was that he used short words to do it.

Before the debate was shown on Danish television, they had a young conservative in the studio to explain why he supported Trump. More money for the military, basically.

Which he is going to achieve through the magical expedient of cutting the top marginal rate AND the corporate tax rate. Somehow.

This is a good summary of what Trump was really up to last night, and what the last 30 days might be like.

https://newrepublic.com/article/137639/donald-trump-going-tear-everything

Love Phil D's matched photos.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuaSe-WXgAAEOw-.jpg

Ivanka doesn't seem to mind...

Before the debate was shown on Danish television, they had a young conservative in the studio to explain why he supported Trump. More money for the military, basically.

Which he is going to achieve through the magical expedient of cutting the top marginal rate AND the corporate tax rate. Somehow.

― Cumstaun (Phil D.), 10. oktober 2016 15:40 (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well, it makes a certain kind of sense. Trump wants to force NATO countries into spending more on their own military, and this guy wanted more money for the Danish military. And the fact that the guy is a racist Putin-worshipping scumbag who brags about sexual assault doesn't bother him, nor apparently the host.

rasumussen poll in the field from wednesday to sunday out: clintion +7 (she was -1)

Jeet Heer otm

This is pretty fantastic: Donald Trump's Sniffling Continues, Here Now Are The Possible Causes

― People Have No Idea The Support (Old Lunch)

wait why the fuck was forbes reporting on WWE No Mercy?

costa was at NRO before the post and he's been replaced by https://twitter.com/TimAlberta who is a little crankier and a lot more conservative afaict, but also seems to have the ear of the GOP establishment

Have you googled Kathy Shelton yet?

The Snopes article pointing out that it's bullshit is 7 posts up, genius.

I can't help but keep thinking how curious it is that Trump attacks BILL Clinton when he is standing against Hillary Clinton.

I know he tries to extend it to her, 'Hillary attacked these women' etc, but he's mainly attacking someone who's not standing against him rather than the person who is.

y'all should've watched the Packers/Giants game instead. at least there it's only the participants suffering brain damage.

google K@thy Sh3lt0n find jorel!

Kathy Shelton thing is ridiculous.

Ken Bone: Hero

https://twitter.com/albamonica/status/785488647617470465

https://twitter.com/kenbone18/status/785346981191352320

ha, is that really him? this is his only tweet from before yesterday: https://twitter.com/kenbone18/status/387176988277895168

Some big conference call with Ryan and House members happening this morning. I suspect last night was the worst possible outcome for Ryan. Trump did "well enough" (understand that this just means he didn't literally tell anyone to go fuck themselves and didn't quit halfway through the debate) that his 35% digs in even more, which just freezes everything for Ryan. He's incapable of making a clean break from Trump himself--even the video wasn't enough--and he needed something definitively catastrophic to make it easy for him, and he didn't get that. So his mess deepens.

otm. re: worst possible outcome, costa tweeted this am

In calls this morning, many Rs privately want to defect from Trump. But they say the debate gave them pause since he roused their base.
Meanwhile, Trump circle gloating. Privately mocking elected Rs who are agonizing. One laughed and said, "We don't care."

since friday i have seen like 50+ new hillary/kaine signs go up in lower merion + penn valley (montgomery country)

In calls this morning, many Rs privately want to defect from Trump. But they say the debate gave them pause since he roused their base.

Oh so they have a public position and a private position like in that movie "Lincoln," how interesting.

lol

great job creating a "stab in the back" narrative, gop. not only is trump going to lose, but paul ryan is somehow going to take the blame for it!

^^^

This is kind of amazing, especially the quotes from Giuliani.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-campaign-clinton-accusers-family-box

been thinking about what this means for GOP-controlled congress + Ryan's leadership. He may be looking at his own revolt/removal after the election.

Ryan's gonna pay for the wall now

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/785498801062543360
BREAKING-- @SpeakerRyan tells house republicans he won't defend trump and will focus the next 29 days on keeping the house majority.

The responses to that are exactly right. It's just another meaningless dodge: not defending him, if that means not defending the video, has already happened and requires nothing anyway.

Am I the only one who is freaked out with Clinton's attempts gin up up another cold/proxy war with Russia?

Well, a lot of people are freaked out that Russia has invaded Ukraine, helped Assad kill his own people and hacked American institutions in an attempt to meddle in the US election. I don't think that many people are blaming Clinton, though.

i was more freaked out about trump's talk about how we dont have enough nukes

"gin up"? Clinton didn't force Putin to invade the Crimea, conduct a scorched earth bombing campaign in syria, or try to influence the US elections (irony alert: when Bibi spoke in front of Congress Greenwald types freaked the fuck out that he was trying to influence the election - same bros totally cool w/ Russia actually hacking DNC files to influence it)

lol fred u otm xp

yes, oddly

Well let's arm us some "rebels" then I guess. How could that ever turn out badly?

i was more freaked out about trump's talk about how we dont have enough nukes

this was a really bizarre tangent he went on, like it was 1982 or something. made it clear he has no idea wtf is up with US/USSR nuclear arsenals and treaties

I'm kinda into arming the peshmerga tbh

agreed that it's not exactly "ginning up" - - - though i did get a real uncomfortable shiver with all the proxy war stuff with US soldiers advising and training local forces etc. etc. i mean at this point both the strategic approach and the language are old as dirt but the vietnam and post-9/11 wars have kinda cemented a lot of associations there.

I realize Ryan's position in terms of how best to keep the House is close to no-win, but as to any future run at the presidency, he's making it so easy for someone else running for the nomination to kill him on this in 2020.

from both directions!

I'm kinda into arming the peshmerga tbh

ditto.

Well let's arm us some "rebels" then I guess. How could that ever turn out badly?

you mean unlike the current status quo where everything is fine and dandy?

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perfect. knives out.

I'd let Russia and Iran deal with it. Assad sucks but heavily-armed ISIS rebels are worse imo.

uh that's not what the peshmerga are

lol

that...doesn't seem like a winning strategy, kellyanne